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M. Spector
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posted 07 February 2006 08:01 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Canadian Delegates to World Social Forum Discuss Election Result, Working Class Political Action
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Judy Rebick, well-known publisher and political activist, said the big story of the election was the rise of the Conservative vote in Quebec. The rightist party earned more than 900,000 votes, a huge gain from the previous election. "People I talk to from Quebec are in shock," she said.

"The Tories will use this next period to build on their vote in Quebec and aim for a majority government in an election within two years. This will present an enormous challenge to the Bloc québécois." (The Bloc won the majority of votes and seats in Quebec, but its vote declined from 2004.)

A lively discussion period followed the presentations. The most common concern voiced was the rightward shift of the NDP in the election and what should be done about it.



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Robert James
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posted 08 February 2006 12:27 PM      Profile for Robert James     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Although this might not fairly apply to Judy, since Stanford was down there I think it is a legitimate point of concern.

It is tremendously hypocritical for these activists to, on the one hand, criticize the NDP for a 'rightward shift' and then, on the other hand, encourage voters to, errr, vote for the Liberal party (i.e., a more right-wing party) 'because they have a better chance of winning against the Conservatives' (i.e., an even more right-wing party).

This is tantamount to saying that the NDP is not worth getting behind fully because they won't win and then saying, 'but don't try to win (i.e., by advocating centrist policies) because then we will be more prone to criticizing you'. Either way, the outcome is the same: leave the NDP in the lurch and support, albeit reservedly, the Liberals.

Some progressive strategy.

For what it's worth, I share the disappointment with the overall rightward trend in Canadian politics (and, for that matter, in most western liberal democracies) but that's a different issue.

And, if you want to halt and reverse that trend, then, it seems to me, you should either work actively within the NDP to do so (knowing and accepting that in the short term you might face considerable problems winning many seats in election, but supporting the party 100% nonetheless) or build a new party on the Left to pull the other parties, or at least the NDP, in that direction. Or, if you are thoroughly convinced that the NDP is resistant to this kind of change and that building a new party is a futile exercise, you can dedicate your efforts elsewhere (i.e., outside formal politics, as many of these activists have admittedly done) and simply vote for the most progressive of the parties come election time (i.e., the NDP).

No matter what you do, I still can't fathom how voting Liberal fits into the picture.


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M. Spector
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posted 08 February 2006 01:29 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't know what you're on about. There was nothing in the article that indicated anyone at the WSF advocated voting Liberal.

In fact, the speakers were critical of that strategy. One of them was quoted as saying:

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We saw union leaders campaigning for Paul Martin. And I'm not just talking about Buzz Hargrove. The president of the Alberta Union of Public Employees campaigned for (national security minister) Anne McClellan. Former IWA national president Dave Haggard was a Liberal candidate in Vancouver East.
The hypocrisy you speak of was not to be found on the part of the Canadian activists who attended the WSF.

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Pogo
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posted 08 February 2006 01:55 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Green Party, the Communist Party, and the Christian Heritage Party have the luxury of ideological purity. That and $5 buys you a latte.
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Grover
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Only $2 in Vancouver
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beibhnn
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posted 08 February 2006 07:44 PM      Profile for beibhnn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was momentarily excited to see that the Woodsworth Irvine Socialist Fellowship discussion of the election had gained its own thread topic. Oops.
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Left Turn
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posted 11 February 2006 08:22 PM      Profile for Left Turn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the Socialist Voice article:

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”The working class in Canada needs a political party that seeks to win political power and wield it to lead a process of social change similar to what we see unfolding in Venezuela today and Cuba before, that is, a struggle for socialism.

Roger Annis is absolutely right when he says this. The NDP has abandoned the fight for socialism in favour of petty-bourgeois reformism.

The NDP does support stronger social programs; greater protections for workers; and a cleaner environmet/stronger evironmental protections. Yet it has abandoned the fight for greater government ownership of the economy, and in this way the NDP has embraced neo-liberalism. It also has, as Roger Annis pointed out, an anglo-chaviistic position on Quebec, and has adopted a right of centre law and order plank on gun crimes.


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M. Spector
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posted 11 February 2006 08:35 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I agree.

But I wonder what Paul Kellogg meant when he said,
"the election result was a sign of the decline of neoliberalism."?


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tommie
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posted 12 February 2006 03:02 AM      Profile for tommie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Liberal Party was far more left-wing than the NDP in this election. Martin's anti-American rhetoric was similar to the kind of things the Liberals talked about when they campaigned on the NEP in the 1980 federal election.


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posted 12 February 2006 04:18 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, lets get back to something at least cohesive, like a strategy based on socialist ideas. Is there any point to the NDP becoming a cleaner younger LPC?
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posted 12 February 2006 06:06 AM      Profile for Policywonk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Yet it has abandoned the fight for greater government ownership of the economy, and in this way the NDP has embraced neo-liberalism.

Economic democracy doesn't necessarily equal government ownership, and partial acceptance doesn't necessarily mean the same as embracing.


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