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Topic: The original Jewish mums (Ashkenazi side)...
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lagatta
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posted 13 January 2006 09:27 PM
quote: Almost half of Europe's Jews are descended from just four women, according to a new study. Scientists studied the mitochondrial DNA - passed from mother to daughter - of 11,000 women of Ashkenazi Jewish origin living in 67 countries.The Ashkenazis moved from the Mid-East to Italy and then to Eastern Europe, where their population exploded in the 13th Century, the scientists say. One of the authors said the study shows the importance of Jewish mothers. "This I could tell you even without the paper," Dr Doron Behar of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology told Reuters news agency.
European Jewish foremothers.
Though actually, the Mediterranean mama is not only Jewish, and certainly not only Ashkenazi...
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rinne
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posted 13 January 2006 10:11 PM
From the above article:"There are now some eight million people of Ashkenazi origin living around the world, the researchers say. Some 3.5m, or 40%, of them are descended from the four women, they say." Absolutely incredible.
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skdadl
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posted 28 January 2006 07:56 AM
Can someone help me with the time-logic of these two facts, though: quote: The four women are thought to have lived in the Middle East about 1,000 years ago but they may not have lived anywhere near each other, according to the study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.... The Ashkenazis are thought to have travelled from the Middle East to Italy in the first or second Centuries.
One thousand years ago would be the tenth or eleventh centuries. But the Ashkenazi population is thought to have migrated long before then, so what were these mamas still doing back in the Middle East? And how would they be related to an already migrated population? Or am I misreading this?
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jrootham
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posted 28 January 2006 08:13 AM
It seems to confusion in the reporting, a different report (from CNN!) says: quote: Those women apparently lived somewhere in Europe within the last 2,000 years, but not necessarily in the same place or even the same century, said lead author Dr. Doron Behar of the Rambam Medical Center in Haifa, Israel.
quote: Mike Hammer, who does similar research at the University of Arizona, said he found the work tracing back to just four ancestors "quite plausible... I think they've done a really good job of tackling this question."But he said it's not clear the women lived in Europe. "They may have existed in the Near East," Hammer said. "We don't know exactly where the four women were, but their descendants left a legacy in the population today, whereas ... other women's descendants did not." Behar agreed that the four women he referred to did inherit their genetic signatures from female ancestors who lived in the Near East. But he said he preferred to focus on these later European descendants because they were at the root of the Ashkenazi population explosion.
CNN seems to have done better reporting. [ 28 January 2006: Message edited by: jrootham ]
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