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satana
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posted 07 May 2003 09:26 AM      Profile for satana     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've just come across an interesting blog, veiled4allah (found via Marginwalker) which has raised an interesting discussion:

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Some people feel that the existing form of the prison system in America is unjust and inhumane. Some people go even further and say that incarceration as a punishment is itself inhumane. After all, human beings are locked up in what amount to cages (i.e., the prison cells) where they have next to no privacy and have to offer complete obedience at all times to corrections officers and to ask permission for almost anything they do. An argument can be made that imprisonment is really a form of slavery, and a particularly cruel form at that since the prisoners are kept locked up.

We're not used to thinking like this. It's taken as a given in America that prison is far more humane than corporal punishment. But is it? The body heals; the mind and the soul may not. When we consider whether the prison system is humane we should look at the psychological damage caused by captivity. It's not as easy to measure as physical damage, but it may be far worse and more lasting.

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mighty brutus
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posted 07 May 2003 11:39 AM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, prison is a bad place to be, but what would you suggest as an alternative? Is there another way to protect people from those who would prey on them? I contend that there is nothing wrong with the concept of punishment, and as for corporal punishment, I say bring it back for certain crimes. The fear of a good flogging might provide the motivation for some of these reprobates to keep their noses clean. In fact, I might volunteer my services as wielder of the cat o' nine tails!
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clersal
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posted 07 May 2003 11:42 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that putting the money into prevention might take care of the problem. I doubt that babies are born evil.
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posted 07 May 2003 11:51 AM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NO! Flog the evil babies!
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 May 2003 11:57 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I think that putting the money into prevention might take care of the problem.

First we'd need to know exactly what to spend the money on, no? We know that rich people commit crimes too, so we can't just assume that if everyone had more $$$ then crime would go away.

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I doubt that babies are born evil.

No, but like all animals, they're born inherently selfish. Some will learn to value others as they value themselves, others won't.

I don't think most criminals are evil, I think they're selfish. Their sense of entitlement to whatever they want outweighs any sense of guilt or wrong at taking it from you. A good example is the criminal who'll smash your car windshield (costing you $200) to steal a CD from your front seat (earning himself $5). He couldn't give a damn what this costs you... as long as he gets his $5!


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clersal
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posted 07 May 2003 12:58 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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First we'd need to know exactly what to spend the money on, no? We know that rich people commit crimes too, so we can't just assume that if everyone had more $$$ then crime would go away.


I said prevention. Criminals are created, I would guess by their environment and upbringing.
Often we see children at risk but are unable to do anything as we just build bigger prisons. It strikes me as an incredibly stupid waste of money. We forget that these are human beings in cages. Would that be your choice? Not me.

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mighty brutus
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posted 07 May 2003 01:19 PM      Profile for mighty brutus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Criminals are created, I would guess by their environment and upbringing.

I don't disagree, but you forgot one thing---Criminals are created by the choices they make. There are lots of people who have miserable environments and upbringing who don't end up robbing or murdering people.

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