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Brian White
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posted 25 September 2005 12:38 AM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I made this thing years back, and it ran for about 15 years. It is a pump with no moving parts that is driven by water. (It is not a ram pump)
It probably has third world applications and wilderness applications but scientists never got round to figuring out the parameters surrounding it. (Never bothered because there doesnt seem to be a commercial angle).
Anyway, it is called the pulser pump, is completely free of patents and if you want a physics project for school or university or to some genuine experimental science in your retirement it might be the thing for you
I no longer do experiments and there is lots to do.
links are http://members.tripod.com/~nxtwave/gaiatech/pulser/index.htm

http://nxtwave.tripod.com/gaiatech/pulser/models/index.htm (models for demonstration)
and
http://www.animatedsoftware.com/elearning/All%20About%20Pumps/aapumps.swf


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Southlander
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posted 28 September 2005 08:16 AM      Profile for Southlander     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looked at it, seems it needs a large amount of fall, and a fair amount of water to generate a small amount of lift for a small amount of water. Wouldn't it be easier to walk back up stream and put in a pipe? No moving parts, no need to build a dam.
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Blondin
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posted 28 September 2005 11:22 AM      Profile for Blondin     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It looks like a variation on the Cobalt Ragged Chute.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 28 September 2005 11:49 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems similar to a pump you can buy from Lee Valley, that's basically a "Y" splitter for your garden hose. You submerge the new piece of hose in, say, your flooded yard, and run the regular piece of hose down the drain, then turn on the water. The water rushing down the drain "sucks" water up from the new piece of hose, with no moving parts, etc. Wastes some water of course, but it works.
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posted 28 September 2005 12:53 PM      Profile for blacklisted     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
its a simple hydraulic ram . there's a better pic here
http://www.lifewater.ca/ram_pump.htm

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Brian White
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posted 29 September 2005 06:07 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Southlander
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posted 28 September 2005 08:16 AM
"Looked at it, seems it needs a large amount of fall, and a fair amount of water to generate a small amount of lift for a small amount of water. Wouldn't it be easier to walk back up stream and put in a pipe? No moving parts, no need to build a dam".
Seems you looked hard. A half meter is an insignificant amount of fall. Check out the fall that most rams use. Check out the fall that turbines use.
It ISNT a hydraulic ram either. Perhaps people could give it more than 10 seconds before dismissing it? And that thing about a pipe going upriver to replace it and not needing a half meter dam! Where I built it, it would be at least half a mile of 1 inch pipe and I am pretty sure the neighbours would have objected. And, have you ever laid pipe in a stream with a really low grade? I have. It has to maintain a near perfect grade or it airlocks and will not flow properly.
Sorry for being caustic but I have got the same 5 or 6 types of dismissive comments for years.
Can you imagine a place with streams, no piped water and no electricity and worthless money? These places exist. This type of pump is useful to those people. Wrong claims about what the pump is are not helpful.
Brian


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Brian White
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posted 29 September 2005 06:23 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Blondin
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posted 28 September 2005 11:22 AM
"It looks like a variation on the Cobalt Ragged Chute"
That is pretty close. They built those tromps all over the world and they disappeared when hydro-electricity came into being.
It seems that they were not interested or never tried a tiny version. The problem with the giant tromps is that they produce the "bends" in fish because nitrogen is highly soluble in water.
Smaller versions should not this problem because the compression is so much lower but the parameters need to be found.
You can help especially if you are in the biology or physics field in university or college.
Thousands of people across the world now know about this little tromp. It is overdue time to give them some direction about how big they can build. The best sizes to enhance wildlife, and provide power with minimal cost needs to be known.
Yet I am the only person I know of who has done any research on it.
It is time for universitys to do the research, find the perameters and have a simple design kit for pulser pumps for different situations.
Lots of people have tonnes of water per second falling half a meter in rivers near their habitation. Nothing highly technological can easily harness the power of that water without the input of a whole lot of money.
A pulser pump just needs sweat equity and a plan.
Tell people how and they gan help themselves.
Brian White


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Brian White
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posted 29 September 2005 06:29 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, I ment that compressed nitrogen is much more soluble in water. Nitrogen does not instantly come out of solution when the pressure is removed and it slowly forms bubbles as it comes out of solution. Over saturated water leaving a deep tromp is a health hasard for fish.
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