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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 13 February 2003 04:19 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My question is the one posed above. Below are a few links.

Toronto Artists Drawing Resistance

Writers Against War


Drawing Resistance


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dale cooper
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posted 13 February 2003 05:57 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's like anything else - people listen to what thye want to hear. If you're inclined to oppose war and enjoy the arts, then the answer is yes. If you are for the war and think the arts are "fruity" then you will use it as ammunition to be mocked in your crusade. I imagine the number of people actually affected by the arts (not including famous people speaking out) is minimal in this case.

Famous people speaking out is different. If it's someone you admire, then you will be more likely to be on side with them or use them in your arguement. If you don't like them, you use them as ammo in defense of your position.

As to whether the "arts" has a role in opposing war in general - it's a medium for people to express themselves. The arts themselves have no position. They are a tool to be used in a manner to aid you in your defense/propogation of your own position.


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DrConway
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posted 13 February 2003 09:41 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hell, I'm a scientist by inclination and I couldn't tell you anything about art, and I oppose the war.
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audra trower williams
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posted 16 February 2003 03:47 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really hope so. Because I'd much rather write pop songs than policy papers.
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posted 18 February 2003 08:45 PM      Profile for Performance Anxiety        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The arts play the most important role of all in opposing war. It's due time to admit that we all have some of "the arts" in us, and its time to start employing them.

That is what effective protesters do after all - they assume characters on the streets (eg: Raging Grannnies, Radical Cheerleaders), stage (eg: lysistrataproject.org), and in the media (eg: Auntie.com, Jaggi Singh, etc.)

According to famous theorist, and creator of Theatre of the Oppressed, Augusto Boal:

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Theatre is born when the human being discovers that it can observe itself; when it discovers that, in this act of seeing, it can see itself – see itself in situ: see itself seeing.

Observing itself, the human being perceives what it is, discovers what it is not and imagines what it could become. It perceives where it is, where it is not, and imagines where it could go. A triad comes into being. The observing-I, the I-in-situ, and the not-I, that is, the other…Therein resides the essence of theatre: in the human being observing itself. The human being not only ‘makes’ theatre: it ‘is’ theatre. And some human beings, besides being theatre, also make theatre. We all of us are, some of us also do.

Theatre has nothing to do with buildings or other physical constructions. Theatre – or theatricality – is this capacity, this human property which allows man to observe himself in action, in activity. The self-knowledge thus acquired allows him to be the subject (the one who observes) of another subject (the one who acts.) It can allow him to imagine variations of his action, to study alternatives. Man can see himself in the act of seeing, in the act of acting, the act of feeling. Feel himself feeling, think himself thinking…

An actor, acting, taking action, he has learnt to be his own spectator. The spectator (spect-actor) is not only an object, he is a subject because he can also act on the actor – the spect-actor is the actor, he can guide him, change him. A spect-actor acting on the actor who acts…

Only the human being is tri-dimensional (the I who observes, the I-in-situ, and the not-I) because it alone is capable of dichotomy (seeing itself seeing). And as it places itself inside and outside its situation. It needs to symbolise that distance from ‘I am’ to ‘I can be’, and from present to future; it needs to symbolise this potential, to create symbols which occupy the space of what is, but does not exist concretely, of what is possible and could one day exist…

The being becomes human when it invents theatre.

In the beginning, actor and spectator coexisted in the same person; the point at which they were separated, when some specialized as actors and others as spectators, marks the birth of the theatrical forms we know today. Also born at this time were ‘theatres’, architectural constructions intended to make sacred this division, this specialization. The profession of ‘actor’ takes its first bow.

The theatrical profession, which belongs to a few, should not hide the existence and permanence of the theatrical vocation, which belongs to all. Theatre is a vocation for all human beings: it is the true nature of humanity.

The Theatre of the Oppressed is a system of physical exercises, is a system of physical exercises, aesthetic games, image techniques, and special improvisations whose goal is to safeguard, develop and reshape this human vocation, by turning the practice of theatre into an effective tool for the comprehension of social and personal problems and the search for their solutions.


The question should be: "How do YOU use the arts to oppose war?"


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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 18 February 2003 09:07 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On Saturday, Toronto's great gay band Hidden Camera's Mild Army Marched singin such great songs as "Steal All You can Motherfucker", children laughed, etc.

There's Writers Against the War, but as others have noted little from the visual arts or other arts scenes. Is there argument over Guernica significant? Should a campaign about educating people about be started?(or is there one already?)


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Man With No Name
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posted 19 February 2003 09:38 AM      Profile for Man With No Name     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is a difficult question. Everything plays a role; it is the significance of that role that is important.

You oppose the war by creating art, that's great. You aren't making a difference, however.


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posted 19 February 2003 11:28 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To me, all artists are first of all craft-workers, and it is likely, although not unfailingly true, that people who do craft work are going to live in at least a bit of tension with a dominant economy/society/culture that values productivity 'n' efficiency over craft values -- which demand focus, focus, focus, upon the ever smaller, smaller, smaller ... (See Blake on the universe in a grain of sand, etc. The other Blake, ie. )

Artists are often not very comfortable with political activism, though. That has something to do with activists' need/tendency, sometimes, to start becoming what they behold. That is, political thinkers almost inevitably end up believing that they've got to outsmart the realpolitikers by becoming realpolitikers themselves, and that kind of thought can be inimical to people who resist ruthless generalizing.

Ideology in general is going to be a problem for artists -- real human beings keep producing exceptions, and that tends to irritate the political, while interesting the artist.

Well, hell, that's too many overgeneralizations already from me!


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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 21 February 2003 04:14 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
To me, all artists are first of all craft-workers, and it is likely, although not unfailingly true, that people who do craft work are going to live in at least a bit of tension with a dominant economy/society/culture that values productivity 'n' efficiency over craft values -- which demand focus, focus, focus, upon the ever smaller, smaller, smaller ... (See Blake on the universe in a grain of sand, etc. The other Blake, ie. )

I wrote to a Toronto art critic, whose comments prompted me to start this thread. I agree with skdadl in an very general way. With the disappearance of hands-off state support for the arts, many of us have turned towards petty commodity production (eg. small paintings, drawings) which are saleable, storable, and have something of Wally B.'s "aura". I haven't found this to be a purely negative trend, because a lot of great work is being in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver and I get to enjoy it. But it also creates a petty-bourgeois mindset amongst artists in which they can see themselves as "capitalists" - even thought he only means of production they own is their hands, some pens and brushes, and a kitchen table.

One can compare this with some of the very crucial feminist and Black liberationist art done in the 60s and 70s, eg. Adrian Pyper's card stating that despite her light complexion she was black (she gave these to people who made racist jokes and comments to her thinking she was white).

Anyways... My inquiry has two sides to it - one regarding anti-war politically progressive art - and the other being ana alternative maybe Romantic, maybe anti-rationalist episteme (way of knowing (for those sane enough to stay away from philosophy of science)). Is there something in drawing or playing a trombone or dancing which lays a basis both for a new utopia and an immediate temporal criticism and practice which will challenge imperialist war?


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