babble home
rabble.ca - news for the rest of us
today's active topics


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
FAQ | Forum Home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» babble   » right brain babble   » humanities & science   » New Diseases

Email this thread to someone!    
Author Topic: New Diseases
mimsy
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 4337

posted 05 October 2005 12:53 AM      Profile for mimsy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A lot of threads on pestilence lately. This is an attempt to put many of them together, spun off from the thread: Global Warming: Death in the Deep Freeze

AIDS, SARS, TB, ebola, mystery illness in T.O., What next?

I hypothesize that this is one major factor:
The loss of biodiversity leads to more diseases for humanity.

The causes of biodiversity loss are compound: human encroachment on habitat, hunting, pollution, and global warming. The reasoning for the above hypothesis is elementary: 1) bacteria and viruses act like any other living (and semi-living) things in that they try to propagate and live on 2) microorganisms will mutate and adapt to fit into their surroundings, and if there is a smaller diversity of animals to infect, they will very naturally start reproducing in human hosts.

So for eg., if you have few animals but poultry, pigs and humans densely packed in some place in southern China, it should not be surprising to have a new disease appear in humans there. Blaming and eliminating various species like bats and civet cats is just scapegoating, chasing red herrings (pardon the poor metaphors). Seems researchers and people are more panicky now about other species, pinpointed as the “source” of new diseases. But no, the source I think is the rapid decrease of other species, so killing them would only lead to a long term worsening of the problem. Biodiversity, which thrives better wild, is not a luxury but a necessity for quality human life on this planet. (This is also an argument against industrial monocrop agriculture.)

So to the aesthetic, ethical, spiritual and ecological justifications for preserving biodiversity, is added another rationale that rightist environmental marauders (for eg., those “we-are-omniscient-gods” idiots at the Economist magazine, who called preserving wildlife a “luxury,” see issue of 23Apr’05, p.9) might finally be able to grasp: self-interest.

If anyone could refer some studies that support the above hypothesis it would be nice icing on the cake. But I believe the hypothesis is correct, not because I’m some Nobel scientist, but because it’s based on such solid, fundamental principles of microbial behaviour.

Here’s what I got from a quick search:

- WHO disease outbreak news
- Biodiversity in Development, by World Conservation Union
- Biodiversity and human health

Notes:
1) An imminent flu pandemic I think is not in the same category as other “new” diseases. We’ve always had killer flus. I’ll be relying mostly on providence to save me from one. What may be new is how the next one could combine with other pathogens. (Maybe we’ve always had new diseases too, but hasn’t the rate of new appearances increased recently?)

2) To me, gene splicing in labs does not contribute to biodiversity. This is hubristic man tinkering with miraculous nature, and I’d wager if people were to disappear on the planet, not one of their GMO’s would be able to carve a niche in nature and survive in the long term.

To end on a positive note:
For health’s sake, promote natural biodiversity!

[ 05 October 2005: Message edited by: mimsy ]


From: mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est la terre | Registered: Aug 2003  |  IP: Logged
mimsy
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 4337

posted 05 October 2005 09:56 AM      Profile for mimsy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The below paragraph, on root causes of new diseases, is from the WHO site at http://www.who.int/csr/about/en/ (see paragraph, "The Challenge")

"Epidemics and newly-emerging infections are on the move as never before, threatening the health of people around the world and affecting travel and trade in the global village. Globalization, climate change, the growth of megacities and the explosive increase in international travel are increasing the potential for rapid spread of infections. Deforestation and urban sprawl bring humans and animals in closer contact and allow animal pathogens to “jump species” more easily and new epidemics to emerge."


From: mon pays ce n'est pas un pays, c'est la terre | Registered: Aug 2003  |  IP: Logged
America is Behind
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 10430

posted 05 October 2005 03:35 PM      Profile for America is Behind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Uhoh...Apparently the virus in question causes the same cytokine storm that led to the Spanish Flu of 1918's wiping out millions of healty young adults.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/18/1839#F3

Cytokine storm-inducing influenza is similar in virulence and mortality to many tropical diseases. (To be fair, it causes respiratory failure rtather than hemmoraging, but it still kills.)

[ 05 October 2005: Message edited by: America is Behind ]


From: Canada | Registered: Sep 2005  |  IP: Logged
blacklisted
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8572

posted 05 October 2005 04:46 PM      Profile for blacklisted     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
a frightening new aspect in the virulence of a modern outbreak of influenza-like illnesses is the debilitating effect of industrial pollution.
at the time of the 1918 flu epidemic a far greater proportion of the population was unexposed to automobile exhaust, sulpur dioxide, and a host of other industry related chemicals.
although some of this effect will be offset through nutrition, the obesity,and general lower fitness levels of a sedentary population , coupled with high asthma rates may generate extreme mortality rates, especially among lower income groups with less access to comprehensive medical care.
"The drastic rise in asthma and related pulmonary illnesses is surprising because benchmark studies have resulted in an as yet unknown understanding of the disease. All scientists agree, however, that this is a pathology whose etiology can be traced as an overt effect of a modern Western culture. The effects of asthma are wide reaching and can be studied from many viewpoints. From a societal perspective, sociologists and public health officials cringe when they read the statistics for asthma in children in a poor urban area of New York, versus the national average. The Mott Haven neighborhood of The Bronx, which has a median household income less than one-third of the U.S. median, has an asthma-related hospitalization rate eight times higher than the national average"
http://www.wowessays.com/dbase/ad4/vrk157.shtml

From: nelson,bc | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged
scooter
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 5548

posted 05 October 2005 04:51 PM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by blacklisted:
at the time of the 1918 flu epidemic a far greater proportion of the population was unexposed to automobile exhaust, sulpur dioxide, and a host of other industry related chemicals...

But exposed to poor quality drinking water, prepared food, unhigenic lifestyles, horse shit, etc. Fine horse shit dust would have been everywhere. Imagine what that would do to your immune system.

From: High River | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
blacklisted
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8572

posted 05 October 2005 05:06 PM      Profile for blacklisted     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
and of course ,there's a name for that.
Organic Dust Toxicity Syndrome (ODTS)
http://agebb.missouri.edu/occmed/bull15q.htm
mostly an allergic reaction. most of us could use a bit more of an allergic reaction to horseshit,BS, and of course, the ever-present trollcrap.

From: nelson,bc | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged

All times are Pacific Time  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | rabble.ca | Policy Statement

Copyright 2001-2008 rabble.ca