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clockwork
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posted 06 June 2002 10:58 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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What that means for cities is that instead of "underwriting big-box retailers, subsidizing downtown malls, recruiting call centers, and squandering precious taxpayer dollars on extravagant stadium complexes," the leadership should instead develop an environment attractive to the creative class by cultivating the arts, music, night life and quaint historic districts -- in short, develop places that are fun and interesting rather than corporate and mall-like. It's advice that city and regional leaders can take or leave, but Florida contends that his focus groups and indices -- reporting the important factors needed for economic growth in the creative age, from concentrations of bohemians to patents to a lively gay community -- are more accurately predicting the success and failure of metropolitan areas.

Be creative – or die

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DrConway
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posted 07 June 2002 12:02 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like that article. I particularly like the attack on a narrow definition of creativity - the idea that the only "thing that counts" is something that can be put to immediate practical use, rather than one that simply enriches one's daily life.

It's also encouraging how spontaneous a phenomenon like this can be. Sherpafish, for example, recently started a monthly reading in East Vancouver where people may read poetry they wrote. I'm working on him to bend the rules to let me read a poem that hasn't circulated widely, if at all.

Or another case in point was a reading session sponsored to allow our dear Lord judym of Muck to read portions of her book. The place this was held was a coffee bar that had nothing in it newer than the early 1970s except for the coffee machines and the cash register.

Much more satisfying than some dull-ass Chapters "reading session" or whatever.


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ronb
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posted 07 June 2002 03:20 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno. The "creative class" he talks about sounds like a fancy new way to describe the downsized middle class. Which makes his recommendations for quaint historic districts and all that smell vaguely exclusionary and elitist.

The demise of Detroit had a lot more to do with municipal level graft and rezoning shenanigans than any desperate lack of coffee houses and art galleries.


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'lance
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posted 07 June 2002 03:44 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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any desperate lack of coffee houses and art galleries.

... which, in any case, scarcely had the cachet in the 60s, when Detroit began its grim slide, that they do now. Coffee-house districts in particular were regarded with suspicion by city fathers -- too many long-haired hippie-type pinko fags in those neighbourhoods, doncha know.

The demise of many US downtowns also had something to do, I think, with the flight of industry and more affluent citizens to the suburbs, eroding the tax base -- which you may have been alluding to with your comment about "rezoning shenanigans," ronb.


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ronb
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posted 07 June 2002 04:07 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was massive blatant real estate speculation making matters even worse in Detroit's case. If you look across the river from Windsor, you can see the chainlink fence that seperates burnt-out garbage dump Detroit from mansion strewn verdant suburb. Deliberately done, apparently.
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lagatta
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posted 07 June 2002 05:35 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strange that he mentions Buffalo, though it is a blighted old industrial city it also has some charming historical districts on the West side (Allentown, near the State University College and Delaware Park). However I'd say Buffalo made a big mistake moving the main campus of the State University at Buffalo to the desolation of North Amherst - it is even worse than York U in Toronto.

Some of this can be code words for gentrification - it is not a progressive article as such. However I'm just as wary of talk of "elitism". A lot of us creative urban types make no under $20.000 per annum and have a tough time paying the rent.


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ronb
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posted 07 June 2002 06:10 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fair enough. I hesitated for a second before typing elitist anyway, so I know what you're saying. Nevertheless, the guy is basically using too many rogets words to say "if you find yourself someplace where everybody is wearing a Raiders jersey, chances are most of them are unemployed."

Well, duh, but let's face facts here, most of those "bohemians" come from relatively affluent backgrounds.


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clersal
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posted 09 June 2002 12:35 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I finished 'A Fine Balance' by Rohinton Mistry.
It is quite a book. I see now when Zatamon and nonesuch question when we judge other culture values.

We must not only accept how other people live but also understand. It is too easy to say what if it was like that here. It is not like that here and never be like that here. It is different and not necessarily better.


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Zatamon
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posted 09 June 2002 02:47 PM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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clersal: I finished 'A Fine Balance' by Rohinton Mistry. It is quite a book. I see now when Zatamon and nonesuch question when we judge other culture values.
clersal, here is another book that you would find convincing (if you haven't read it yet) "The Lathe of Heaven" by Ursula Le Guin. It is on the same topic of making horrible mistakes by trying to help others, based on very limited understanding.

Here is a synopsis:

"Novel and film alike revolve around the character of George Orr, a young man whose dreams sometimes come true. Orr (played with exquisite passivity by Bruce Davison) hates and fears this ability, eventually attempting suicide before coming to the attention of dream specialist Dr. William Haber (Kevin Conway).

The pragmatic Haber quickly fixates on Orr's "effective" dreams as a source of unlimited wish fulfillment, and sets about to manipulate his patient into dreaming the world into utopia.

As in fairy tales, the price of Haber's interference is that he gets what he says he wants -- fulfillment is both the reward and cost of wishing, even when the wish is as seemingly altruistic as Haber's "greatest good for the greatest number."

"What attracted me to it was there were no bad people in the show," co-director Fred Barzyk told SPACE.com. "Everyone was trying to do good, but it just kept getting out of hand. Ursula's point was sometimes people -- sometimes driven by appropriate values -- cause more problems than if they had sat back and relaxed a bit."


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clersal
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posted 09 June 2002 07:11 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have read quite a few by Ursula Le Guin. A science fiction writer I believe.

I am not sure if the mistakes made in 'A Fine Balance' was due to trying to help others with a limited understanding of the situation. It seems to me a power trip by their own government was the cause. Rampant incompetence. Power given to people who really did not know what they were doing. A very haunting book. A very troubling book. On the other hand a book on survival.


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