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Zatamon
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posted 20 February 2003 08:24 PM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just started reading Ursula LeGuin’s “The Telling”. I have always admired her previous books (“The left Hand of Darkness” and “The Lathe of Heaven” in particular), but this book is breathtaking.

It was published in 2000, way before 9-11, and in the first 20 pages she brilliantly makes her point: a culture based on advanced science and technology can be as insanely suffocating and self-destructive as one based on religious fundamentalism. The two can happily coexist in pathological minds.

We are witnessing this point today, in our daily lives, in a crushing and sole-destroying way. Bush and his gang are proving it to us, from hour to hour, as the drama of human insanity unfolds around us. And there are still human beings who can’t see it, who are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to argue the logic of insanity, based on insane premises.

The conclusions of these deranged minds are:

- We can save a people by destroying them
- We can establish democracy by supporting dictators
- We can achieve freedom by enslaving everyone
- We can create wealth by destroying and wasting our resources
- We can make friends by killing and torturing their loved ones
- We can fight terrorism by making more terrorists
- We can serve the people by ignoring and suppressing them
- We can create trust by lying through our teeth
- We can have peace by waging total war
- We can have unity by triggering mutual hatred

Have I missed any? I am sure I have. Still, there you are, food for the thought. Of course I know that, as usual, I have been preaching to the choir (who already know) and riled up the rest (who will never know), but what the heck? I was bored.


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Boinker
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posted 20 February 2003 10:49 PM      Profile for Boinker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about these ones:

We can solve the Middle East Crisis by making the crisis world wide.

We can end terror in Israel by provoking world wide terror.

We can make Israel feel safer by making everyone else feel less safe.

We can keep the world safe for democracy by behaving antidemocratically. (perhaps you covered this one.)

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Zatamon
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posted 21 February 2003 12:30 AM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One more:

- The best way to get a bad guy in a crowded room is by killing everyone in the room and then blowing up the building.

PS. And then finding out that the bad guy was the only one who survived and got away.

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clersal
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posted 21 February 2003 12:56 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We could destroy earth. We can't have it nobody else will either.
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Boinker
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posted 22 February 2003 06:29 PM      Profile for Boinker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw an add on the tube about some type of public forum on crime. A psychiatrist asked the socratic question if criminals were really psychotic or if they were simply exercising their evolutionary option touse force to attain their survival.

It's a Hobsian notion, one the US establishment thinks can be translated into foreign policy.


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posted 22 February 2003 09:42 PM      Profile for Flowers By Irene     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some days I think I am the only normal person in the world. And even then, I'm not quite sure...
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Boinker
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posted 23 February 2003 08:54 PM      Profile for Boinker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Flowers I hope this brightens you up some...


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Zatamon
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posted 26 February 2003 04:32 AM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And a few more:

- If we give money to the rich (tax cuts) it will help the poor
- What’s good for General Motors is good for America
- Capitalism is a system of equal opportunity
- Democratic representatives have to toe the party line
- Freedom of the press is assured by corporate ownership
- The United Nations can prove its legitimacy by following US demands
- The enemy of my enemy is my friend
- If you are not with us, you are against us

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Zatamon
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posted 27 February 2003 07:44 AM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I received the following reply on Znet:

"What about breaking the law in order to enforce it?

click

Of course this is a popular theme in Hollywood cop thrillers. So forget about debating International Law with the general public. But still... What wouldn’t I give to see Dubya Bush in front of an international war crimes tribunal? I bet it would wipe that smug little smirk off his face."


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Boinker
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posted 27 February 2003 09:53 AM      Profile for Boinker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Zatamon, great post. I have been arguing that a security council resolution cannot violate the UN Charter. I think I will open this up as a new thread somewhere and see what debate follows.
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Zatamon
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posted 27 February 2003 10:07 AM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am happy you liked it, Boinker.

Another item of insanity. I heard it on CBC yesterday (paraphrased by me):

Sometime a democratically elected leader has to ignore 75% of the citizenry and act against their wishes".


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