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kuri
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posted 05 June 2005 02:24 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Atlas shows environmental damage

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The United Nations has unveiled a new world atlas that uses satellite imagery to show the often damaging environmental changes sweeping the planet.

Maybe just the kind of visual indicator we need, eh?


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posted 05 June 2005 02:40 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's great to know about! If you google "One Planet Many People" you get hits leading to the UNEP bookstore and more information about the atlas, also some access to pdf posters showing specific places such as this one.
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posted 05 June 2005 02:48 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a link to a thread about environment and science maps.
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kuri
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posted 05 June 2005 03:04 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoops! Sorry for the thread prolif.
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posted 05 June 2005 03:11 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
kurichina and Contrarian: Please correct my vision for me if I'm wrong, but I have been studying the PDF of London from that atlas (I took it up to 50 per cent so that I could read it), and I gotta say, the satellite photo of London from 2004 looks better than the one of 1976.

???


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posted 05 June 2005 03:24 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
kurichina, don't worry about that; I think of the other thread as a compilation and just wanted to make sure this reference was included on it. This thread could be about this specific atlas and its uses: for instance, maybe someone could hit GWBush upside the head with it and get his attention to the environmental problems he is making worse. Anyway, it is aimed at policy makers, NGOs, etc.; I wonder if it will be a good tool.
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kuri
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posted 05 June 2005 03:35 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I certainly think this is something where visuals can be surprising. I remember seeing satellite images of the Canada/US border and seeing how the different agricultural policies actually meant the land looked different in a straight line along the border.

Skdadl: I have the same impression as you. The 2004 image looks greener to me. It's also a little bit bigger (includes a bit more area) and is sharper. Maybe it's the images, maybe London's improved. I don't know what the story is with London.... I mean, I know sort of what it's like now. But I wouldn't have much of a clue about 1976, except that there were fewer airports.


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posted 05 June 2005 03:36 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl, it looks greener to me, too. Is it possible London has been creating more green space? The atlas shows changes for the better as well as for the worse:
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...Peduzzi underlined that the images also showed humanity's capacity to repair environmental damage.

The industrial city of Copsa Mica -- regarded by UNEP as "one of the sickliest in the world" -- and surrounding hills showed up as a black stain on the Romanian countryside in 1986.

Last year the countryside was green again and city buildings could be distinguished from outer space...


From this article.

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posted 05 June 2005 03:39 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
kurichina and Contrarian: Please correct my vision for me if I'm wrong, but I have been studying the PDF of London from that atlas (I took it up to 50 per cent so that I could read it), and I gotta say, the satellite photo of London from 2004 looks better than the one of 1976.

???


I don't think you're wrong. I interpreted those photomontages the same way.

If that's right, I can think of two possible explanations (not mutually exclusive). The first is they burn a whole lot less coal in the UK now than thirty years ago. Less coal, less acid rain, more chance for undeveloped areas to revegetate.

The second is that a lot of industrial sites have been abandoned. Initially, such places ("brownfield sites" they're generally called) sprout a lot of weeds, scrubby trees, etc., and I imagine many of them are still in such a state. But at the same time, probably some have been redeveloped as residential areas, on the leafy-estate model, or at least as the kind of commercial/light-industrial areas which feature modern, low-slung, smokestack-free buildings surrounded by acres of grass.

This is all so much arm-waving, of course -- I have no sources to hand -- but probably not altogether wrong.


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posted 05 June 2005 03:49 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just looked at Brasilia PDF. Now there I see a big difference, not just in urban build-up but in the taking over of forestland for agriculture (the pale green on the second map).

See also that terrifying photo of the satellite town. An odd thing to have done altogether, Brasilia.


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posted 05 June 2005 03:50 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS: Are these PDFs taking forever to load for you? They are freezing Young Edwidge up sometimes.
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'lance
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posted 05 June 2005 03:52 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They take a while to load for me, too. Huge files.

"Young Edwidge"? Don't tell us Young Ironsides has gone the way of all flesh?


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posted 05 June 2005 03:55 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, Young Ironsides went the way of all older laptops.

Courtesy Young pogge.


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posted 05 June 2005 04:04 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh. Well, speaking of older computers -- and ecological footprints -- this is only slight thread drift...

Anyone who has an old computer to get rid of could do worse than donate it to Computers for Schools. Of course they won't take certain things, but as long as it's a Pentium II or better, or Power Mac or better, no problem.

This page links to lists of their repair centres.


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posted 05 June 2005 04:18 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Get rid?!? Of Young Ironsides?!? Or Old Ironsides, for that matter, who must now qualify for some sort of museum?!?

How heartless are you, 'lance?

I did have an old desk-top that I parcelled out to deserving persons -- somehow, one is not attached to them in the same way. But it's easy to keep the old lappies, so I do, and besides, Young Ironsides has all your self-incriminating PMs on him, 'lance.


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'lance
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posted 05 June 2005 08:00 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Get rid?!? Of Young Ironsides?!? Or Old Ironsides, for that matter, who must now qualify for some sort of museum?!?

Oh well, if you put it that way -- I mean, I've always had a soft spot for obsolete technology. It must go back to my childhood, when the first stereo we had (actually not a stereo, but a monaural system -- insert "mono" jokes to taste) was something my dad had built himself from a kit around 1960. It had a reel-to-reel tape deck and all.

Otherwise, though, it helps to develop a certain sense of non-attachment, lest one end up thigh-deep in clutter. When my vintage 1991 Mac Classic II died a few years back, I thought about trying to resurrect it by buying the equivalent on Ebay and swapping in the motherboard, but eventually decided that all things must pass. Or, to put it another way...

< bad Yorkshire >

Noothin's pairmanent in this flippin' life, noothin' laahsts.

< /bad Yorkshire >

So, with a "well done, thou good and faithful servant," I took it to a City of Calgary e-recycling day, and bade a reluctant farewell.

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How heartless are you, 'lance?

Come come, skdadl -- faithless != heartless.

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But it's easy to keep the old lappies, so I do, and besides, Young Ironsides has all your self-incriminating PMs on him, 'lance.

Easy and obvious forgeries. I didn't do it, I wasn't there, and too besides, you can't prove a thing.


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nonsuch
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posted 08 June 2005 02:29 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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the satellite photo of London from 2004 looks better than the one of 1976.

Isn't that about when Prince Charles started to take an active interest? I don't want to give credit where it isn't due, but...

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posted 08 June 2005 07:25 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
depends on your context;

... a satellite photo taken of eastern North America today would look vastly more green than a hypothetical one taken in Thoreau's time, around 1840, when deforestation was the rule, given all the small farmers and logging operations throughout New England the mid-Atlantic states, as this cover story in The Atlantic points out (cannot access archive right now; to post later if I can):

"An explosion of green"
McKibben, Bill. The Atlantic Monthly.
Boston: Apr 1995.
Vol. 275, Iss. 4; pg. 61, 15 pgs

Subjects: Forests, Environmental protection, Conservation
Locations: Eastern states
Document types: Feature
ISSN/ISBN: 10727825
Document URL:

Abstract (Document Summary)
The reforestation of the eastern part of the US can show the developing world how to make room for farming, industry, people, and endangered species. However, the fortunate eastern region of the US still faces problems.

......

according to this article, a dozen US states have surged from 30-40 per cent forest coverage to over 70 per cent today, the opposite of popular perceptions

a similar situation has developed in my part of the world, alpine France, where there has been a sustained return of forest cover to former marginal farmlands, with the auxiliary result of a return of wildlife not seen in any numbers for decades, and even a century or more, esp. the wolf (ask sheep herders! ) and elsewhere in Europe, the Pyrenees to some small extent, of the bear

nature is fragile; it is also resilient

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