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Dr. Mr. Ben
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posted 07 June 2003 09:59 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was recently reading a book on, I guess you could call it post-modernist ecclesiology. The author suggested that the recent renaissance of fundamentalism in Christianity is a reaction to the cultural changes of post-modernity. He talked about how, as the culture pushes people away from objectivity and absolutes, they retreat to very rigid -- but to them comforting -- interpretations of religion.

This got me thinking, I wonder if the phenomenon of neo-conservativism isn't a secular manifestation of the same tendency to fundamentalism in reaction to post-modernity. In a world where issues are becoming more global and increasingly complicated, is it perhaps the same impulse that causes people to seek refuge in such simple, rigid dogmata as "America is always right" and "poor people are just lazy"?

Any thoughts?


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DrConway
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posted 07 June 2003 11:18 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ann Finlayson in Naming Rumplestiltskin has offered exactly this sort of observation - that when people feel powerless to affect their lot in the economic sphere they turn to other outlets to exert control.

This, she says, explains the tendency in the US of people to endorse things like the War on Drugs or other similar draconian measures (such as the harsh 3-strikes-you're-out laws which make no exceptions) that would never pass muster in other Western nations.

It's a manifestation of the desire for control, of something, anything rather than feel at sea with no rudder.


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Dr. Mr. Ben
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posted 07 June 2003 11:53 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess the question that remains then is why Americans have so often felt so helpless. And, in the case of the fundamentalists and neo-cons we're talking about, why white, middle- and upper-class people have felt to helpless. Despite being the world's super-super-power, or the power elite within that society, American culture perpetually portrayed itself as walking a knife's edge.

And what is the role of post-modernity in this? We talk a lot about how the television news sells fear, but the rise of the televisual medium is also what Baudrillard sees as the beginning of post-modernity. Perhaps the hyperreality of the news coverage is what creates such a potent feeling of dread.

Oh, and for the sake of citing my sources, the book I was reading is called The Post-evangelical and it is by Dave Tomlinson.


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Gir Draxon
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posted 08 June 2003 02:59 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that the desire for control over their own lives mentioned by DrConway is what leads to, but does not directly, influence political and moral conservatism.

The desire for self-determination can manifest itself in many different ways. Sometimes, it leads to a military buildup and a war of independance. Sometimes it means placing more faith into the afterlife, where one would be free from domination.

Some people turn to God, some turn away from God. Some turn to violence. Some to rigid moral codes; but the point is that they are all manifestations of the desire to escape the absurdity of everyday life, to either change something or to hope for something better later.

Religeous fundamentalism and neo-conservatism are just two of many ways that people choose to fill that desire.


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DrConway
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posted 08 June 2003 03:19 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think we'd find less support for socially regressive measures like harsh prison sentences and drug wars if people could re-exert some meaningful democratic control over the economy.

The problem is, this runs into opposition from the social and fiscal conservatives and if there's anything that we learned as kids, it's that double-teaming someone is a great way to make sure they never win.

The social conservatives of course dislike redirecting the focus of control because it weakens support for the kind of measures they endorse, and the fiscal conservatives are just allergic to interventionism anyway.


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batz
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posted 08 June 2003 05:37 PM      Profile for batz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The social conservatives of course dislike redirecting the focus of control because it weakens support for the kind of measures they endorse, and the fiscal conservatives are just allergic to interventionism anyway.

Funny thing about that is economists seem to abhor monopoly in the economy, but demand it in the political arena. The mantra is that economic progress creates political stability, but economic progress cannot happen without some stability, so in the mean time, dictatorships and military juntas are just fine.

Who was that famous economist who said "In the long term, we are all dead."

So increasing democracy is actually politically destablizing, and not really in the interests of a "free" economy at all. Fiscal conservatives are all for interventionism, particularly when it comes to enforcing individual property rights on natural resources, and protecting them from more "efficient" (read: cheap goods) economies like Japan, Indonesia or Mexico.

Fascism is an excellent incentive to foreign investment, pity about those who are subject to it, but of course, if they just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps...

And so the cycle continues.


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