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Topic: A Question on 'Racial' Issues . . .
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Baldfresh
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posted 15 September 2004 12:15 PM
al-Qa'bong stated this in the newbie thread, and rather than threadjack I thought I'd start a new one. Regarding the keeping for records indicating what race/ethnic group people belong to, specifically in this case just a matter of census: quote:
Who cares how accurate they are? That stats regarding "race" should be kept at all is deeply disturbing.I noticed, while once looking at mug shots of prisoners killed in Texas (part of a Dubya website, that "race of defendant" and "race of victim" were prominent in police records.
I disagree. I will certainly agree that in a perfect world there would be no need for racial stats, but it is far from an ideal situation we live in. There is certainly a possibility for abuse of such statistics, but even the example listed above is somewhat telling perhaps of problems not only inherent in the 'general' populace, but also with our institutions, the criminal law and justice system in particular. To elaborate a bit, I saw a stat somewhere that said (approx, I'm too pressed for time to link) in America 90% of drug users are white, while at the same time 90% of the people in jail for drug offences are black or hispanic. This is a damn important statistic, and to ignore it (as is actually done, more or less) helps allow the underlying problems to continue unabated.
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Mr. Magoo
guilty-pleasure
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posted 15 September 2004 02:26 PM
That I agree with.What I don't agree with is blanket assumptions such as Briguy seems willing to make, wherein because racism hasn't been eradicated, THEREFORE all black citizens must be disenfranchised THEREFORE if they commit any crime whatsoever then that's why, THEREFORE we have to make special allowance for that. Reminds me of the "Black Rage" defense that someone tried to pull a few years back in the States.
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Mr. Magoo
guilty-pleasure
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posted 15 September 2004 04:23 PM
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None of those THEREFORES can actually be attributed to me, from what I wrote.
You went so far as to introduce the alternative with "Or, if we were ignorant and heartless...", so I figured you were kinda leaning toward the knee-jerk reaction I described. It also wasn't clear from "We could guess that black men are being disenfranchised by society and consider violent crime a legitimate (or the only) option.[i]" who is considering violent crime a legitimate option. Initially it looked as though you were suggesting that [i]we, as a society, should. Only now can I see that perhaps you meant the men in question. I do, however, recognize that sometimes it's hard to make oneself quite clear in dry text, and if that's all then my apologies.
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Fidel
rabble-rouser
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posted 15 September 2004 08:04 PM
Recent reports show that poverty has increased among African-American's by 25-30% since this cosnervative regime took a minority of votes in the States.African-American's are a disproportionate number of the American gulag population. And we also have conservative cheer leaders in this town who often parrot that they've never witnessed or observed racism in their lives. I guess they wouldn't if they've never travelled in the U.S. of A. Canadian's are a little more subtle with regard to racism. Here, it can be a difference in the spelling of your last name.
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