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Hephaestion
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posted 02 November 2005 09:32 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently the mice serenade potential mates, and they sound like birds...

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Scientists have known for decades that male lab mice produce high-frequency sounds, undetectable by human ears, when they pick up the scent of a female mouse. This high-pitched babble is presumably for courtship, although scientists are not certain.

But it turns out those sounds are more complex and interesting than previously thought.

"It soon became . . . apparent that these vocalizations were not random twitterings but songs," said researcher Timothy Holy. "There was a pattern to them. They sounded a lot like bird songs."

To make their point, the researchers provided audio recordings of the sounds, which have been modified for human ears. The recordings do indeed sound birdlike.

The findings by the researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis are published online Tuesday in the journal Public Library of Science Biology.

If the analysis by the researchers is confirmed, mice can be added to the short list of creatures that sing in the presence of the opposite sex, including songbirds, humpback whales, porpoises, insects and, possibly, bats.

"There was joy in this discovery," Holy said. "We didn't expect it."

The finding opens the possibility of using mice to study and develop treatments for autism and other communication disorders, said Holy, the lead author and assistant professor of neurobiology and anatomy at the university's medical school.

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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 02 November 2005 09:37 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
This high-pitched babble is presumably for courtship, although scientists are not certain.

And when humans do it, we call it 'karoake.'


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belva
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posted 02 November 2005 09:41 AM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder what it sounds like when kitty cats are around? Hmmmmmmmmm!
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posted 02 November 2005 12:17 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If the analysis by the researchers is confirmed, mice can be added to the short list of creatures that sing in the presence of the opposite sex, including songbirds, humpback whales, porpoises, insects and

Clay Aiken.


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Rufus Polson
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posted 02 November 2005 02:33 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So do gay mice serenade the same sex?

. . . actually, that was meant somewhat flippantly, and maybe to note that the assumption that it's only the opposite sex leaves out certain groups, as usual. But actually, it could be scientifically significant. If they're not sure it's a courtship thing, finding out whether mice known to be gay serenade their own sex might help establish that.

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posted 02 November 2005 02:43 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
If they're not sure it's a courtship thing, finding out whether mice known to be gay serenade their own sex might help establish that.

I know. Why else did you think I brought up Clay Aiken?


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Hephaestion
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posted 02 November 2005 03:49 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:

I know. Why else did you think I brought up Clay Aiken?



I know what it was about Clay Aiken that made *me* bring up...

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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 02 November 2005 06:13 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
So do gay mice serenade the same sex?

...If they're not sure it's a courtship thing, finding out whether mice known to be gay serenade their own sex might help establish that.


But it gets confusing, because mice of both 'peruasions' like to dance shirtless with their hands over their heads.


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 02 November 2005 06:18 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it's kind of weird that mice and humpback whales have something in common.
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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 02 November 2005 06:24 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
it's kind of weird that mice and humpback whales have something in common.

...apart from body-image issues.


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 02 November 2005 06:28 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i just keep thinking of little kids going to a pet store and getting a whale and putting in a cage with a water wheel at home ... and these 1-tonne mice flopping out of the water for eco-tourists.
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posted 02 November 2005 10:13 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'Course we already knew why bees hum...they didn't know the words.

(ducks and runs)


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