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Anchoress
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posted 21 January 2005 01:45 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Songbird species that evolves into two could play role in conservation

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VANCOUVER (CP) -- A species of songbirds can gradually evolve into two that have distinct songs and colour variations without ever interbreeding, says a University of British Columbia biologist whose work would make Darwin swoon.

Darren Irwin used a new genetic analysis technique to show that the greenish warbler native to forests in Asia changes characteristics as its population spreads across the Tibetan Plateau. Eventually, it becomes another species altogether.

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His decade-long study of the greenish warbler shows what 19th century British naturalist Charles Darwin could only have imagined.

"He'd probably say it's some of the most convincing evidence that evolution happens, showing the continuity between two species, that you can have small changes that lead from one species to another," Irwin said.

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maestro
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posted 21 January 2005 05:54 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually it was precisely this point that Darwin observed that brought him around to evolution as a principal organizing factor in nature.

It was the finches of the Galapagos, which had evolved into separate species on separate islands that was the defintive evidence for him.

I'm not quite sure how this guy's idea makes any earthshattering improvement to Darwins's proof. There is certainly nothing in the article itself.


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posted 21 January 2005 11:02 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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"No one's ever shown such a nice, gradual change between two clearly separate species before," said Irwin, associate professor in UBC's zoology department.

Irwin used blood samples of the greenish warbler collected from several countries including Nepal, India, China and Pakistan to show that genetic characteristics of the songbirds changed across west to east Siberia.



I suspect those are the differences from Darwin's finches. Darwin didn't (and couldn't) show the genetic drift that resulted in speciation. He could only comment on their outward differences.

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Anchoress
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posted 21 January 2005 01:26 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I understood the article correctly, it's that the gradations between one species and another are in existence right now and observable over geographic distances (like, one species is in BC, the same species with slight differences is in AB, etc etc, with a completely different species in PQ). Heretofore, biologists had observed animals that had evolved into new species due to either environmental changes or isolation from the majority of their kind. This study showed how animals can evolve 'alongside' the majority of their breed.
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posted 21 January 2005 01:35 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Through genetic selection alone, our research group has created a population of tame foxes fundamentally different in temperament and behavior from their wild forebears. In the process we have observed some striking changes in physiology, morphology and behavior, which mirror the changes known in other domestic animals and bear out many of Belyaev's ideas.

The 40 year experiment

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