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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 04 February 2003 12:31 AM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A while ago, I noticed a proposal for an e-study group on Hardt and Negri's Empire. Did it work? How?

Is there anyone interested in doing a discussion on Lukac's History and Class Consciousness or Susan Buck-Morss' Dialectics of Seeing?


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rasmus
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posted 04 February 2003 01:16 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, but I would be interested in a study group on the Phenomenology of the Spirit.

Lukacs can come later. BTW, I now own Bob Rae's copy of History and Class Consciousness. I guess he didn't need it.


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DrConway
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posted 04 February 2003 04:14 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's Phenomenology of the Spirit, and how did you score a Bob Rae-owned book?
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lagatta
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posted 04 February 2003 08:25 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haven't read the Buck-Morss book yet, can you send me the publisher's information (either here or as a private message or e-mail?). I was younger than you when I read the Lukacs book, am probably due to read it again, 30 years on... Idem "Capital".

By the way, Blake, this should be in "Ideas", or perhaps "Rabble reactions", not "banter". Unless, of course, you see Georg Lukacs as "pop culture"

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Michelle
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posted 04 February 2003 09:02 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree lagatta - unless, of course, you want to make fun of the books.

Moving this off to "ideas, etc..."


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lagatta
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posted 04 February 2003 09:09 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, maybe a comic book or Pythonesque routine based on "History and Class Consciousness", or "Phenomenology". Along with the laugh-a-minute Walter Benjamin.
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skdadl
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posted 04 February 2003 09:43 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would co-operate with any of those suggestions, daunting though rasmus's first choice sounds. Why did you suggest that first, rr?

I have a theory about chapter titles, invention of same (of a standard historical plot, in other words), of the classical progression of historical divisions, derived from my reading of C17-C18 historical works, and Blake's mention of Lukacs reminds me that I've wanted to look at his table of contents again in that context ... Seriously, I will read the book, too. But I have a historical-formal (history of form) interest in looking at it -- as I guess I would, though, in looking at any of the others.


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Michelle
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posted 04 February 2003 10:26 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In case people don't want to buy the book...

http://www.class.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/ToC/Hegel%20Phen%20ToC.htm

(Rasmus, I assume "Phenomenology of Spirit" and "Phenomenology of Mind" are the same book with just a different title translation, right? Because I saw other links that called the book, "Phenomenology of Spirit/Mind".)


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lagatta
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posted 04 February 2003 10:35 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They are, just different translations from the German.

How about a Walter Benjamin fan club? We could have team sweaters too...


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jeff house
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posted 04 February 2003 01:25 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I now own Bob Rae's copy of History and Class Consciousness. I guess he didn't need it.

Sure, once he had made all of the ideas his own, fully intergrating them into his Weltsanshauung,
why not clear out the shelf space for more radical literature?


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skdadl
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posted 04 February 2003 04:12 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Help me, Beelzebub, but it looks like we're gonna read Hegel.

Have I ever told you about the time I copy-edited a translation of the 1804-05 Jena Logic? The words I understood in that book: all the articles and prepositions, plus "I" and "Thou." The only questions I was able to ask as copy-editor concerned the punctuation of restrictive and non-restrictive clauses (should this be "which" or a "that" -- in other words, do we want a pair of commas or none at all?), and I don't usually need to ask about those, but when it's all Greek ... Or Logick!

Help me, Baob!


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jeff house
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posted 05 February 2003 01:00 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would seem that Skdadl has not yet experienced Aufhebung.
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skdadl
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posted 05 February 2003 01:06 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It would seem that Skdadl has not yet experienced Aufhebung.

Quite the contrary.

I do spontaneous Aufhebungen all the time. Hegel does analytical Aufhebungen. I feel that he would not have had to work quite so hard had he read Keats on "negative capability."


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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 05 February 2003 07:32 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
During a particularly weird time in my life the Phenomenology was my toilet reading. I didn't get it, so I guess that's why people put People magazine in their bathroom.

The Dialectics of Seeing by Susan Buck-Morss is a commentary on Walter Benjamin's Arcades Project, and to this point has been the most important English language interpretation. My editiion is the Seventh printing, 1997, MIT press, paperback edition. The ISBN number is 0-262-52164-4. Because there is an English translation of the Arcades Project it could be useful to look at both at the same time.

Again, I'd be interested in a discussion of this book, which could take a while. Buck-Morss is very interesting both as an expert on the Frankfurt School and as a photographer. She make a very intersting use of images, making it one of the few high theory books that's also nice to look at.


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 07 February 2003 01:24 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i'm in if people want to discuss buck-morss, she rocks.
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