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Hephaestion
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posted 24 February 2005 05:15 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ahhh... the pitty-patter of enormous feet...

Just overheard on Vancouver CBC Radio:

Oldest dinosaur tracks in Western Canada* discovered in coal mine near Fernie, BC.

Details: tracks of “medium and large-sized meat eating dinosaurs” were discovered on a vertical surface “quite far up; 100 to 150 feet up”. The appropriate experts are examining them, etc. (sorry, didn’t catch ALL the details)

* didn’t catch the exact estimated age of the prints, either. I imagine it will be on the CBC website pretty soon, for anyone interested.


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'lance
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posted 24 February 2005 05:47 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll bet they prove to be at least 12,000 years old, forcing creation scientists to revise their theories yet again.

Humbling, but so goes the advance of science.

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nister
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posted 24 February 2005 06:08 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think you're thinking mastodon, or mammath. Dinosaurs haven't made tracks for many millions of years.
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'lance
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posted 24 February 2005 06:11 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
... yes, that's why I said "creation scientists," who think the earth's 10,000 years old.

It was a joke, of sorts.


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posted 24 February 2005 07:46 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Details: tracks of “medium and large-sized meat eating dinosaurs” were discovered on a vertical surface “quite far up; 100 to 150 feet up”. The appropriate experts are examining them, etc.

Proof positive that T. Rex had wings.

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Reality. Bites.
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posted 24 February 2005 08:14 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Oldest dinosaur prints in W. Canada found in BC coal mine .

Well I hope that teaches a valuable lesson to all those cynics searching in Myron Thompson's house.

(Why oh why couldn't Fernie be in Stockwell Day's riding?)


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posted 24 February 2005 08:32 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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posted 24 February 2005 08:42 PM      Profile for You'll always be a Marshall     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Ahhh... the pitty-patter of enormous feet...

Just overheard on Vancouver CBC Radio:

Oldest dinosaur tracks in Western Canada* discovered in coal mine near Fernie, BC.

Details: tracks of “medium and large-sized meat eating dinosaurs” were discovered on a vertical surface “quite far up; 100 to 150 feet up”. The appropriate experts are examining them, etc. (sorry, didn’t catch ALL the details)

* didn’t catch the exact estimated age of the prints, either. I imagine it will be on the CBC website pretty soon, for anyone interested.


There's a Social Credit joke in here somewhere.


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Cougyr
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posted 24 February 2005 09:14 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did they also find Stockwell's footprints?
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Ron Webb
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posted 24 February 2005 09:34 PM      Profile for Ron Webb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stockwell Day has never evolved. His God bears complete responsibility for him.
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ziggy
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posted 01 March 2005 02:09 PM      Profile for ziggy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually they were exposed when the slope failed and slid.Got a few nice pics but because the slope was still unstable and rock was continually falling down,the only way for good pics was by chopper which national geographic did.On certain coal seams the dino prints are everywhere after the coal is scraped off the rock.There's 5 mines in that valley and all of them have dino tracks.I worked at the one on the CBC and prolly loaded out a couple million tonnes of tracks and fossilized bones. Lots of petrified trees,I saved what I could.Neat stuff.
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posted 01 March 2005 02:28 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I couldn't find anything about it and assumed Heph was hallucinating. There seem to have been tracks found in other parts of BC in the past.
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ziggy
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posted 01 March 2005 02:58 PM      Profile for ziggy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tracks all over the place,the slope was'nt vertical but it was steep,it allmost buried the big shovel when it slid.I was sent in with the loader and a guy spotting for me,if he said boogy I would boogy backwards out of there.Everytime it slid it would reveal more tracks.Those tracks have millions of years of sediments on top of them. One of the exploration outfits that put the first roads in found a t-rex,dont think it made it to a museum either.
Most finds dont.

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posted 01 March 2005 07:10 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
One of the exploration outfits that put the first roads in found a t-rex,dont think it made it to a museum either.
Most finds dont.
Where did it go?

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Hephaestion
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posted 02 March 2005 07:05 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, qood question...
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ziggy
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posted 02 March 2005 10:37 AM      Profile for ziggy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
where did it go?

Prolly in someones basement gathering dust now that the thrill of the find has wore off.There has been other finds but you wont hear of them.Small town talk has 2 t-rex finds by local contractors hidden away.
The Heritage resources act says you can keep a fossil if found above ground,but even useing the tip of your boot to kick a partially buried fossil out of the ground will require an excavation permit.The law is to protect the specimens but they forgot to factor in human curiosity. I have a site a few miles from my home where I find the most beautifull Ammonites and clams where they should,nt be.
It's prolly illegal for me to collect but the only reason I found it was because the dozers had made a pad for a sour gas rig that never did go up. Now if that dozer operator was a rock hound he would have an impressive ammonite collection right now. Tried to put a claim on the site once but it's big bucks.I can only imagine whats hidden away in some folks basements.

And I have never seen any human footprints amongst the thousands of dino prints I have seen in my life. Australopithecines had to wait for the Pliocene era before making his/her debut on the savanna in Africa.Dino's all gone then.


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posted 02 March 2005 11:14 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's a flourishing black market out there for fossils of all kinds. Dinosaur bones, eggs, archaeological finds of all kinds (including human and prehuman remains) can be purchased more or less legally (check out EBay for some interesting bargains). It's a major problem for researchers since legitimate sites end up being ransacked and the fossils lose most of their scientific value once they are removed from the site where they were found.

When I was a volunteer on an archaeological expedition in Africa, we were warned not to buy any homo erectus fossils we might be offered by the local natives since they were probably obtained illegally and we would be giving the seller a financial incentive to ransack potential sites.


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posted 02 March 2005 02:31 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, there's a store in Calgary that sells rocks and some fossils; I don't know if there is a legitimate source; do bones from a dig belong to the government or who? I could see a museum selling specimens that it had many examples of, in order to raise money.
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'lance
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posted 02 March 2005 02:43 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I don't know if there is a legitimate source; do bones from a dig belong to the government or who?

Maybe aRoused can step in here, but on geology field trips back at UBC, we were told we could not collect fossils or rock samples if the area was designated a park (national or provincial). If it was ordinary Crown land, or private property where we had the owner's permission, it was OK.

Of course, we were looking only at bedrock outcrops which couldn't possibly have contained any human fossils, and weren't digging in soil, which might have turned up relatively recent aboriginal grave sites and such.

A few months back in Alberta, I saw a sign along a back road advertising a "pick your own fossils" place, presumably run as a small business on private land.


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posted 02 March 2005 03:14 PM      Profile for ziggy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the link for the heritage resources act.heritage resources actThere is also a grandfather clause for fossils found before a certain date.Anything found now belongs to the government.....I think.
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posted 02 March 2005 03:20 PM      Profile for ziggy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can surface collect.
quote:
Well, the Alberta law in no way, shape, or form prevents
fossil collecting by amatuers. It does not discourage it or make it
any harder...if such was the case, then I wouldn't be out there every
season, I don't need the hassle. What the law DOES stipulate is that
surface collecting alone is allowed. common fossils, vertibrate and
invertibrate, are allowed to be collected as long as they are on the
surface; heck, even extremly rare fossils are allowed to be collected
as long as they are on the surface. So if that T-Rex skull or
_dromaeosaurus_ skeleton is just laying there, you can take it


Alberta law

long read

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