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NorthReport
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posted 05 November 2008 07:45 PM      Profile for NorthReport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So what now for Vision Vancouver?

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hCzbXXHdEHUzK7O2zaVr2K1J4H3Q


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janfromthebruce
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posted 05 November 2008 08:28 PM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Note that the main talker was the smearer and thus got to frame the story. I saw that this was an "honest mistake." That people get fined for making an honest mistake, which is true.
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NorthReport
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posted 05 November 2008 09:26 PM      Profile for NorthReport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why didn't Robertson just pay the fine when it happened?

http://www.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/opinion/story.html?id=81fbcd17-8d68-487e-8d6e-2915afc63f0f


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remind
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posted 05 November 2008 09:54 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A couple of points.

It was Peter Ladner, Robertson's opposition to mayor who started the yelling about this, and the news here in BC basically gave him and his supporters free ads to smear Robertson.

Of course Robertson did not bring it up in the BC legistlature when he was there, as it is municipal business. Which brings us to the point of why is the transportation minister saying anythiong at all about this other than to smear Robertson for his buddy Peter Ladner?

It is also very easy to travel 2 zones and not know it, if one is not a regular sky train/bus user. All we are talking about a 1.25 difference here between 1 zone and 2 zones, and 3 zones is 5 bucks, while a day pass is 9 bucks.


fair zone map

[ 06 November 2008: Message edited by: remind ]


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NorthReport
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posted 06 November 2008 02:15 AM      Profile for NorthReport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now Robertson changes his mind and pays fine.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=da834c71-e3da-4143-adb4-1dd576df9703


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remind
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posted 06 November 2008 08:49 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, what tees me off in that article is Falcon suggesting that the province should put in turn stiles, at a cost of 100 million dollars. This is not a provincial problem, it is the municipal governments and Translinks.
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posted 06 November 2008 10:59 AM      Profile for genstrike   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it just me and my prairie backwater ways, but this zone crap look like a really stupid system

Of course, I would be for free public transportation, so any fare system looks pretty stupid to me.

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Stockholm
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posted 06 November 2008 11:11 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why not have a zone system? Why should I pay the same amount to go one stop as someone else pays to go 20 stops?

taking a train to Vancouver costs more than taking one from Ottawa to Montreal.


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posted 06 November 2008 11:46 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Translink is one of the most expensive systems in the world. My son just came back from backpacking across Europoe and he took public transit in many big cities. He said Amsterdam was the only city with higher fares.

Falcon got dissed royally after his meanly mouthed interview on CBC. They even played my response.


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posted 06 November 2008 12:15 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
Falcon got dissed royally after his meanly mouthed interview on CBC. They even played my response.

Could you perhaps fill us in with more detail as to what was said against Falcon and indeed what your response was?


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kropotkin1951
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posted 06 November 2008 12:28 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At the end of the interview he said he didn't know what the Translink rules were. I pointed out that he was the person that took away the democratic oversight of Translink and gave it to an appointed board therefore not allowing the people to have any say in those kinds of fines and the fare structure.

Many of the other callers made somewhat similar points but they also talked about his arrogance. It seems this liberal attack dog is starting to grate on many people not just people like me who have hated his arrogance for years.


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posted 06 November 2008 01:25 PM      Profile for mybabble     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This will certainly give Robertson, our new mayor an understanding of the problems faced by many of Vancouver's homeless, sick, elderly, disabled, mentaly disturbed, students, youth, and working poor. Maybe our new mayor could look into the BLITZ BC Liberals are doing on its citizens while it lets those on the road run wild with no concern for STOP lights or the safety of others. In the traffic courts are filled with transit cops without a traffic cop in sight. I believe it was the Liberals solution to its bus shortages as it makes its fares unaffordable for many in need of a ride. Also make sure are streets are safe as alcholic consumption along with drug use has increased dramatically since the Liberals got in but less Rehabs. Its a serious social problem but all the Liberals do is pour more wiskey on it as profits go to government. Oh yeah I think its great you take the green road.
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posted 06 November 2008 01:35 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks kropotkin, but really it seems very strange that he himself would believe he has a say as a public official, seeing as how HE was the person who created the board, that basically privaticized Translink. Which is why he does NOT know the rules. Asshat that he is.

quote:
Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
At the end of the interview he said he didn't know what the Translink rules were. I pointed out that he was the person that took away the democratic oversight of Translink and gave it to an appointed board therefore not allowing the people to have any say in those kinds of fines and the fare structure.
So really all he was attempting to do was campaign for Ladner?

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[Many of the other callers made somewhat similar points but they also talked about his arrogance. It seems this liberal attack dog is starting to grate on many people not just people like me who have hated his arrogance for years.

Great, glad that this happened then, if only to indicate the provincial governments mucking around in the political affairs of a municipal campaign.


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posted 06 November 2008 01:47 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yes the liberal nightmare is an NDP government and a Vision Mayor hosting the Olympics and having access to the real books to show the people how outrageous the costs actually are.
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quote:
Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
Oh yes the liberal nightmare is an NDP government and a Vision Mayor hosting the Olympics and having access to the real books to show the people how outrageous the costs actually are.

Oh...I see what you mean, and point taken kropotkin, thank you, and have adjusted thoughts and commentary appropriately.


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NorthReport
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posted 06 November 2008 10:18 PM      Profile for NorthReport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was something on the CBC radio news tonite about some kind of incamera Vancouver City Council meeting arranged by Ladner, Sullivan, and other NPA cronies, to do with an Olympic village or development project. It's rumoured to be way over budget, and with no social housing which was originally promised.

BCers should be tearing a strip off Campbell and all his right-wing buddies with his screw the citizen's financial approach to these Olympic Games.


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posted 06 November 2008 10:33 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NorthReport:
There was something on the CBC radio news tonite about some kind of incamera Vancouver City Council meeting arranged by Ladner, Sullivan, and other NPA cronies, to do with an Olympic village or development project. It's rumoured to be way over budget, and with no social housing which was originally promised.

BCers should be tearing a strip off Campbell and all his right-wing buddies with his screw the citizen's financial approach to these Olympic Games.


Oh...it is much more than just that.

There is no social housing that was promised and we are looking at Campbell perhaps going to institutionalize people to get them off of the streets.

There is no housing for the athletes and staff at Whistler Village, the costs are way over budget and the construction firms cannot secure loans to keep on building, so there might have to be, or most likely will be, a provincial bailout of the construction companies for both the Olympics and the new convention centre.

It is panning out to be a huge fiasco that could cost BC tax payers 100's of millions more for an event they cannot afford to attend, didn't want and a convention centre the majority will never use.


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posted 07 November 2008 05:21 AM      Profile for brookmere     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes they did want the Olympics. The Olympic bid was put in by the Glen Clark NDP government and supported by the Liberals. If people didn't want the Olympics they could have voted for the Green Party in 2001 which opposed them.

Vancouver voters also had the chance to kill the Olympics in 2003.

And no I'm not a GP supporter. Just someone who opposed the Olympics from day one.


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Don't MLA'S get a big transportation allowance as they cab it across town as I clearly recall Falcon going on, and on about the drivers and their bad attitude and how it was going straighten them right out. He did to so now it looks like there is going to be a real taxi shortage for the Olympics because of Falcon's actions towards hard working drivers. Now I'm sure the province must be able to spring for the $00.75 cents it cost for the extra zone. I have been on the bus when the transit cops have got on and almost half the bus did not have the proper fares paid. They just get them to pay the difference on the bus. Guess you can't ticket half the bus no one would get anywhere. And you should see the passengers on the bus when the transit cops drag off some old immigrant couple or someone you know just didn't know. Its guite tramactic for the rest of the passengers. How many MLA'S are taking the bus? The only problem with Robertson so far is he is a nice guy but it could be a welcome change. I was just reading in the Straight how you were looking for Pixie Dust to buy much needed buses instead of denying those in need of transportation the finger and $175.00 fine.
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I got a bit carried away as it was like Falcon was in the room but come on now new buses have been promised since he got into office in 2001 and this is the best they can come up with? All its been is increased taxes and reduced services and not to forget the Liberals unprecedented raise. May I suggest the government pass out 3 zone passes to all its MLA'S in the prospect that they use them and save taxpayers a bundle on cabs and autos and limos and planes they have been know to use while doing their part for the environment.
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