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Boom Boom
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posted 03 May 2006 07:42 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Episcopalians may elect second gay bishop

SAN FRANCISCO — What's left of unity in the Episcopal Church is at stake heading into a weekend election for bishop of California that sets up a major clash over gays' role in the church.

Three of the seven candidates are openly gay, and choosing one of them to head the Diocese of California would further alienate Episcopal conservatives already feeling betrayed that the church approved a gay bishop three years ago. It could also fracture the strained relationship between America's 2.3 million Episcopalians and their parent body, the worldwide Anglican Communion.

A vote against a gay bishop would likely preserve the fragile truce.

The Rev. Paul Zahl, dean of the conservative Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry in Ambridge, Pa., likened the election of a gay bishop in California to "a terrorist bomb, which is timed to destroy a peace process.''


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Sven
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I don't know a lot about the various sects of the Christian religion but I thought that Episcopalians were relatively liberal. Is that not correct?
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S1m0n
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posted 04 May 2006 02:09 AM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
Dean Zahl needs to be fined for metaphor abuse. Calling the conscientious vote of thousands of his fellow religionist "terrorism" is, well, both hugely insulting and hilariously overwrought.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
I don't know a lot about the various sects of the Christian religion but I thought that Episcopalians were relatively liberal. Is that not correct?

Usually, they are. But Episcopalians have a minority conservative element that threatens to break away over the issue of gay rights and gay ordination. Paul Zahl is ultra-conservative and ultra-Protestant.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
SAN FRANCISCO — What's left of unity in the Episcopal Church is at stake heading into a weekend election for bishop of California that sets up a major clash over gays' role in the church.

Good...

Forget the US Conservatives, this move will force US Episcopalians out of Anglican world body and that means...one more Xtian denomination will lose power and bite the dust.


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quote:
Originally posted by Fear-ah:
Forget the US Conservatives, this move will force US Episcopalians out of Anglican world body and that means...one more Xtian denomination will lose power and bite the dust.

I think the long-term consequences are that the Episcopalians might split, the mainline ECUSA will continue a liberal deonmination, while the conservative faction will align themselves with arch-conservative Archbishop Akinola of Uganda. It remains to be seen which of these will continue to be in communion with the worldwide Anglican Communion, and with Lambeth. I'm thinking the conservatives will lose, because Anglicansim in North America and the UK is very liberal. However, in the Southern Cone, ie Africa, which has experienced a tremendous growth for the Anglican Church, they're torn between following Akinola's brand of conservative Anglicanism, and the fairly liberal brand of Anglicanism elsewhere on the continent. Anglicanism in South Africa (think Desmond Tutu) is quite different from Uganda's conservative brand begun by extreme conservative nutjob Archbishop Peter Akinola.


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quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I think the long-term consequences are that the Episcopalians might split, the mainline ECUSA will continue a liberal deonmination, while the conservative faction will align themselves with arch-conservative Archbishop Akinola of Uganda.

I KNOW what the long-term consequences are and this 'issue bomb' has tied up 'progressive churches' to inactivity, fracture and dissent, while evan and fundamentalist sects bolstered and financed in the US have been able to get their 'version' of Xtianity out front, not only in the US, but in Africa, Latin America, and have had a major impact on AIDs funding programs in the US, UN conferences, religious NGOs, etc.

The progressive churches should roll this one back and maybe let the 'gays and lesbians' re-group for their own survival.


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Bishops speak out against Nigerian laws on homosexuality

Nigerian church called to account for its support of legislation

Niagara Falls, Ont., May 4, 2006 - Canada's Anglican bishops unanimously endorsed a motion expressing "grave concern" about proposed legislation in Nigeria that "would prohibit or severely restrict the freedom of speech, association, expression and assembly of gay and lesbian persons." Their motion also called criticized the (Anglican) Church of Nigeria for its support of the legislation.

The legislation is inconsistent with the United Nations' International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the bishops said in their motion, which was passed at their spring meeting held April 22-27. They said they were "especially grieved" by the support for the legislation given by the Church of Nigeria, noting that the 1998 Lambeth Conference of Anglican bishops called upon churches to "listen to the experience of homosexual persons."

The proposed laws, said the bishops, "criminalize civil and religious same-sex marriage as well as the public and private expression of same-sex affection, all public affiliation between gay persons and even publicity, public support and media reporting of the same." The proposals "would make the very act of listening to homosexual persons impossible."

In unusually strong language, the bishops said they "disassociate" themselves from the actions of the Church of Nigeria and called upon Anglicans around the world to listen to and respect the human rights of gay people.

from: http://www.anglican.ca/

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FOLLOW THE MONEY

When the General Convention of the Episcopal Church meets next month in Columbus, Ohio, a small network of theologically conservative organizations will be on hand to warn deputies that they must repent of their liberal attitudes on homosexuality or face serious consequences. The groups represent a small minority of church members, but relationships with wealthy American donors and powerful African bishops have made them key players in the fight for the future of the Anglican Communion.


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from the link (to page one) in the previous post:

Investing in Upheaval

Millions of dollars contributed by a handful of donors have allowed a small network of theologically conservative individuals and organizations to mount a global campaign that has destabilized the Episcopal Church and may break up the Anglican Communion.

The donors include five secular foundations that have contributed heavily to politically conservative advocacy groups, publications and think tanks, and one individual, savings and loan heir Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr., who has given millions of dollars to conservative causes and candidates.

Contributions from Ahmanson and the Bradley, Coors, Olin, Scaife and Smith-Richardson family foundations have frequently accounted for more than half of the operating budgets of the American Anglican Council and the Institute on Religion and Democracy, according to an examination of forms filed with the Internal Revenue Service and an analysis of statements made by both donors and recipients.

The AAC and the IRD have worked together in opposing the Episcopal Church's consecration of a gay bishop with a male partner, its practice of ordaining non-celibate homosexuals to the priesthood, and its willingness to permit the blessing of same-sex relationships. Their campaign has entailed extensive international travel, heavily subsidized conferences and the employment of a professional staff and consultants to coordinate and publicize their efforts.

Most recently the groups have organized several of their international allies to pressure the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, to remove the Episcopal Church from the Communion, and to replace it with a significantly smaller and more conservative Church that would be headed by bishops with longstanding ties to the AAC.

Ahmanson also helps sustain organizations in the United Kingdom and elsewhere that support removing the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada from the Anglican Communion unless they change their policies regarding same-sex relationships.

The full extent of his contributions cannot be determined because most are made through his private foundation, Fieldstead and Company, whose records are not open to public scrutiny. And neither the AAC nor the IRD discloses the names of its most significant contributors or the amounts of their donations.

As a result, Anglicans have no full accounting of how much money is being spent, and for what purposes, in the struggle for control of their Communion.


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Family trusts ‘fund ECUSA’s Right’

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Since the Primates’ meeting, leaders of the Communion have begun to ask whether these organisations and their financial backers are the real power behind a movement that claims to draw its strength from Africa and Asia, suggests Mr Naughton. His views echo those of the Bishop of Washington, the Rt Revd John Chane, who criticised the Archbishop of Nigeria, the Most Revd Peter Akinola, in the Washington Post earlier this year for supporting "institutionalised bigotry" over proposed laws criminalising homosexuality in Nigeria.

Bishop Chane warned: "Because the conflict over homosexuality is not unique to Anglicanism, civil libertarians in this country, and others as well, should also be aware of the Archbishop and his movement. Gifts from such wealthy donors . . . allow the Washington-based Institute on Religion and Democracy to sponsor so called ‘renewal’ movements that fight the inclusion of gays and lesbians within the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran Churches, and the United Church of Christ.

"Should the Institute succeed in ‘renewing’ the Churches, what we see in Nigeria today may well be on the agenda of the Christian Right tomorrow."


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