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Adam T
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posted 26 January 2006 07:16 AM      Profile for Adam T     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
O.K, I'm really posting this because of one riding: Central Nova, Nova Scotia.

New Democrat Alexis McDonald came within 4,000 votes of defeating so-called star Conservative M.P Peter McKay.

In a more minor way, I was quite surprised the Liberals held their vote so well in B.C and gained 2 seats. But, those are minor surprises compared to Central Nova. I'm sure Mr. McKay was expected to get at least 60% of the vote.


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Pierre Cyr
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posted 26 January 2006 07:32 AM      Profile for Pierre Cyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Id heard she destroyed him in a debate. Along with the fact few trust the tories for now out here helped her out Im sure. My riding is uber conservative and yet Mike Allen only won by less than 300 votes.

I hope she runs again...


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posted 26 January 2006 08:03 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Adam T:
I'm sure Mr. McKay was expected to get at least 60% of the vote.

In his best election he got 48%. McDonald did well last time too.


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josh
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posted 26 January 2006 09:57 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Cons getting 10 seats in Quebec. I thought three was the best they'd get. And, overall, the number of seats the Liberals got.
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 26 January 2006 10:23 AM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post
I was surprised by that, too, since it's something I almost got right! That never happens.

(I posted this on Jan 17):

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One of the analysts in the French press mentioned that Quebec CPC support is now in the 'zone payante'. They've crossed the threshold into the region where even small movements in their support will start to translate into seats. I went through Greg's seat projections the other day, and there seemed to be about 10-15 seats where only a few percentage points separate the BQ from the CPC. And it looks as though the Bloc vote is definitely softening, at least in Central Quebec. There may be quite a few former Bloc voters who may yet say to themselves over the next few days "Oh, what the hell - I'll vote CPC this time."

I've been playing with the UBC seat projector, and it's not hard to generate plausible scenarios where the CPC gets more than 20 Quebec seats. I'm not saying that it'll happen, but it's still a very real possibility.



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brebis noire
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posted 26 January 2006 10:32 AM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Stephen, I was surprised by that too, but shouldn't have been, since it was painfully obvious that the Bloc was taking its support for granted in Central Quebec - and they aren't exactly known for their initiatives for PMEs and agriculture. Also, with the Liberals practically absent (I saw exactly one Liberal poster in my riding pre-elections), the Conservatives with a little bit of effort were poised to pick up the soft nationalist and staunch federalist vote.
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Wilf Day
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posted 26 January 2006 10:42 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What, I won? Quebec City results surprise everyone:
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Call them accidental Tories.

They are Sylvie Boucher, Daniel Petit and Luc Harvey, three Conservative candidates who were as surprised as anyone Monday night when they overcame strong Bloc Quebecois incumbents to win their Quebec City seats

"I had a terrific team," Boucher, the new MP of Beauport-Limoilou, said when her win over Bloc MP Christian Simard was confirmed shortly after midnight.

"It consisted of my two daughters and a family friend."

. . . they started to talk about a breakthrough in three more ridings south of Quebec City.

That's a best-case scenario of seven wins in Quebec, but someone forgot to tell those casting the ballots.

On Monday, they voted in a total of 10 Conservatives.

Petit said he realized he might win Charlesbourg-Haute-Saint-Charles only around 3 p.m. on Monday.

The lawyer, who was a Conservative candidate and organizer in the 1980s, was shaking hands with some of his backers outside polling stations when voters he did not know came up to shake his hand.

Petit defeated Richard Marceau, the Bloc's justice critic.

In the 2004 election, Marceau won with 52 per cent of the vote and the Conservative candidate placed third with 16 per cent.

Petit confessed the Conservative Party was shooting for second place in his riding, hoping to make gains from the Bloc and the Liberals. In the end, "we had 1,000 votes more," he noted

Harvey defeated Bloc incumbent Roger Clavet in Louis-Hebert riding by 103 votes.

"I was the last one elected," he said, adding his organization was minor league compared with the Bloc machine.

Harvey is a strategic business planner for a Quebec City financial services boutique. As of Monday night, the new MP had no plans to move to Ottawa.

"Tomorrow, I go back to the office," he said. "I have been away and there are some files I absolutely have to deal with."


And for the record: no, I didn't see those three coming either. Seven, yes.


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adma
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posted 26 January 2006 10:25 PM      Profile for adma     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From my dispassionate distance, Roger Gallaway's defeat might count in the "didn't see that coming" category--or Paul Steckle's near-defeat...
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posted 26 January 2006 10:30 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
And for the record: no, I didn't see those three coming either. Seven, yes.

I did.

My Quebec-Conservative surprise was on the other side. I thought they had a slightly better chance in Chrétien country, like Maskinongé, Saint-Maurice, and Trois-Rivières, and possibly further Bas into the Bas-Saint-Laurent region. Looking at the final results, I'd imagine that if the Conservatives hold onto their popular support in Quebec, those seats, plus the Townships, West Island, and the Saguenay, will be their pickup targets.


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Albireo
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posted 26 January 2006 10:45 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was pleasantly surprised that Paul Dewar held Ottawa Centre for the NDP, by a margin that was almost as big as Ed Broadbent's in 2004.
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josh
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posted 04 February 2006 05:13 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Astonishingly, almost as many Quebecers voted Conservative — 906,741, to be precise — as did Albertans: 930,817.

. . . .

Even Conservative candidates in Quebec City were taken aback when they were swept into office — four of them winning city seats, another four in ridings across the river on the south shore of the St. Lawrence. Two other Conservatives won elsewhere in the province.

"Honestly, I am surprised — and very proud," Daniel Petit told reporters on election night, after he defeated popular Bloc MP Richard Marceau in Charlesbourg-Haute-Saint-Charles. Unlike the higher-profile winners in the province, like Lawrence Cannon in Pontiac, Josée Verner in Louis-Saint-Laurent, Maxime Bernier in Beauce, and Jean-Pierre Blackburn in Jonquiere — all of whom Harper had mentioned during the French-language debates — the other six candidates flew below the radar.

"I had a terrific team," joked Sylvie Boucher, who defeated Bloc MP Christian Simard in Quebec City's Beauport-Limoilou riding. "It consisted of two daughters and a family friend."

And Luc Harvey, the 41-year-old businessman who won in the affluent city constituency of Louis-Hébert, defeating Bloc MP Roger Clavet, said he had 12 volunteers — five of whom worked on the campaign full time — compared to the 500 to 600 who worked for Clavet.


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posted 04 February 2006 11:43 AM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Biggest surprise for me was the defeat of Reg Alcock in Winnipeg South. I don't think the Tory saw it coming, and Reg certainly didn't see it coming since he was apparently sending workers into South Centre and Kildonan-St.Paul in the last weeks of the campaign. Ray Simard had a surprisingly close call in St. Boniface, winning by a mere 1,500 votes in a seat that only went Tory in the Dief and Mulroney sweeps, while Anita Neville, who many had pegged for defeat, won by a fairly comfortable 3,000-vote margin in South Centre.
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Stockholm
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posted 04 February 2006 11:49 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If there is one group of people who will shed no tears for the defeat of Reg Alcock it is federal public service employees. by all accounts he was ju7st about the most hated President of the Treasury Board of all times and was regarded as a horrible bullying, vindictive man who ran morale in the civil service right into the ground. I'm sure champagne corks were popping all over Ottawa when his defeat was announced.

Too bad that creep Simard didn't lose too. it would have meant one less retrograde homophobe in the Liberal caucus.

I'm not surprised Anita Neville won. her riding contains some NDP voting sreas provincially and has more of the small "l" liberal professional types who in Toronto would live in Rosedale or Forest Hill.


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A big surprise for me was Ken Cooper of the Conservatives finishing a respectable second in the French riding of St. Boniface, since I'd seen him on a forum on SRC-Winnipeg, and he was the only candidate who spoke in English and had what he said translated.
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Stockholm
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Actually there is a big misconception that St. Boniface is a French-speaking riding. There are about 4 or 5 provincial ridings that go into each federal riding in Manitoba. The provincial riding of St. Boniface (which has a sizeable though not overwhelming Franco-Manitoban community in it) is less than 25% of the federal riding of St. Boniface. the remainder of if St. Boniface federal riding is southeast Winnipeg suburbia and is almost 100% English-speaking and a lot of it elects Tories to the Manitoba leg.
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A Blair
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posted 05 February 2006 01:42 AM      Profile for A Blair     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Albireo:
I was pleasantly surprised that Paul Dewar held Ottawa Centre for the NDP, by a margin that was almost as big as Ed Broadbent's in 2004.

I was shocked and awed that newcomer Paul Dewar won in Ottawa Centre. I mean, Liberal candidate & lawyer Richard Mahoney has been gunning for the riding for years, was a political insider for years more (and personal friend of Paul Martin), had a much larger team on the ground that was nurtured long-term by some of the best in the business, and everywhere I went had more lawn signs out than Dewar. I can understand someone of formidable stature like Broadbent winning, but a neophyte like Paul Dewar?

Yes, yes, his mother was a very popular city mayor in Ottawa, so he probably picked up some tricks. But still, winning by that many votes? Incredible. But congratulations nonetheless, I couldn't be happier to be wrong.


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I mean, Liberal candidate & lawyer Richard Mahoney has been gunning for the riding for years, was a political insider for years more (and personal friend of Paul Martin),

I think its fair to say that in 2006, being an "insider" and a "personal friend of Paul Martin" was very much a political liability NOT an asset.

I'm not the least bit surprised that a sleazy backroom hack like Mahoney bit the dust again.


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ghoris
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posted 05 February 2006 04:38 PM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
Actually there is a big misconception that St. Boniface is a French-speaking riding. There are about 4 or 5 provincial ridings that go into each federal riding in Manitoba. The provincial riding of St. Boniface (which has a sizeable though not overwhelming Franco-Manitoban community in it) is less than 25% of the federal riding of St. Boniface. the remainder of if St. Boniface federal riding is southeast Winnipeg suburbia and is almost 100% English-speaking and a lot of it elects Tories to the Manitoba leg.

Once again, glad to see that your view from downtown Toronto gives you an intimate relationship with ridings halfway across the country.

In addition to St. Boniface, the riding includes St. Vital and Windsor Park, both of which have significant Francophone communities (especially Windsor Park). Most areas in the riding have bilingual stop signs. So while the riding is not monolithically francophone, nor is it "nearly 100% English speaking" outside old St. B.

As for provincial representation, the St. Boniface federal riding includes the provincial seats of St. Boniface (NDP), St. Vital (NDP), Riel (NDP), Radisson (NDP) and Southdale (PC). Let's see, three NDP cabinet ministers, an NDP backbencher and one Tory. Clearly that's a Tory hotbed provincially, yessiree.


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posted 05 February 2006 04:44 PM      Profile for Thrasymachus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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everywhere I went had more lawn signs out than Dewar
In what neighborhood? and are you talking about public property signs? 'cuz with the exception of Carleton Heights, Paul Dewar clearly won the sign war.

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posted 05 February 2006 05:34 PM      Profile for A Blair     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Thrasymachus:
In what neighborhood? and are you talking about public property signs? 'cuz with the exception of Carleton Heights, Paul Dewar clearly won the sign war.

I was mostly near the south & west ends of the riding. But even in Old Ottawa South, Rideauview, and Alta Vista, where Broadbent *clobbered* everyone else in sign count last time, this year in many of these places we saw more Green signs than NDP ones especially in traditionally stong neighborhoods for the NDP. And more Liberal signage than in 2004. Conservative signage was behind Liberal and NDP but overall more common than Green. Did anyone do especially well in the all-candidates meeting (which I missed)?


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As for provincial representation, the St. Boniface federal riding includes the provincial seats of St. Boniface (NDP), St. Vital (NDP), Riel (NDP), Radisson (NDP) and Southdale (PC). Let's see, three NDP cabinet ministers, an NDP backbencher and one Tory. Clearly that's a Tory hotbed provincially, yessiree.


The NDP staged some shock victories in suburban Winnipeg in the context of Doer's landslide re-election. Normally, most of the provincial seats that make up the federal riding of St. Doniface go Conservative or are swing areas.

The Conservatives btw, won St. Boniface in a federal byelection in 1978, then lost it in 1980, then regained it in 1984 and I think lost it to the Libs. in 1988. In recent history it is clearly a winnable seat for the Tories in a good year.

BTW: In this election, the Liberals seemed to suffer a lot of losses among francophones outside of Quebec. They actually lost Don Boudria's heavily franco-Ontarian old seat in Eastern Ontario and they barely held on to several previous safe seats in northern New Brunswick and Northern Ontario - and of course Liberal support is now practically non-existent in francophone Quebec.


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