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Whazzup?
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posted 19 June 2002 10:41 AM      Profile for Whazzup?     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought this article in Socialist Worker was one of the most interesting obituaries and tributes to Gould. I knew about his radical politics, of course, but I'd never quite appreciated the deep interconnections between his philosophy and his science:

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Gould’s parents were New York leftists, and he once boasted that he had "learned his Marxism, literally at my daddy’s knee." ...

Gould remained politically active his whole life. While a visiting undergraduate in England in the early 1960s, Gould organized demonstrations outside a segregated dance hall until it admitted Blacks. Back in the U.S., he was an early opponent of the Vietnam War. ...

When residents of a racially mixed, working-class Cambridge neighborhood rebelled against police brutality in 1971, Gould joined a Students for a Democratic Society march to support the uprising. At around the same time, Gould joined Science for the People, one of the radical science organizations that emerged from the antiwar movement.

Later, Gould was on the advisory boards of the journal Rethinking Marxism and the Brecht Forum, sponsor of the New York Marxist School, which was dedicated to using "Marx’s uniquely valuable contributions…to study conditions today and possibilities for transcending capitalism and building an emancipatory society." ...

In exposing the social roots of scientific ideas, Gould followed in the footsteps of one of his intellectual heroes, Frederick Engels--Karl Marx’s close collaborator. Gould praised Engels’ 1876 pamphlet The Part Played by Labor in the Transition from Ape to Man. In it, Engels correctly rejected the claim that "our evolution was propelled by an enlarging brain" and offered a "perceptive analysis of the political role of science and of the social biases that must affect all thought."

Gould also shared Engels’ enthusiasm for understanding the natural world dialectically--in other words, consisting of complex and dynamic interactive processes. "Dialectical thinking should be taken more seriously by Western scholars, not discarded because some nations of the second world [the former Soviet Bloc] have constructed a cardboard version as an official political doctrine," Gould wrote.

"When presented as guidelines for a philosophy of change, not as dogmatic precepts true by fiat, the…classical laws of dialectics [formulated by Engels] embody a holistic vision that views change as interaction among components of complete systems, and sees the components themselves…as both products and inputs to the system."

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WITH FELLOW paleontologist Niles Eldredge, Gould proposed the theory of "punctuated equilibrium." The two argued that evolutionary development isn’t gradual, as Charles Darwin supposed, but takes place in concentrated bursts, followed by long periods of stasis.

Gould freely admitted that he was attracted to the theory because of his knowledge of Hegel and Marx. But while his political background made him open to an idea he might otherwise have ignored, Gould emphasized that he accepted the theory because of the evidence.



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lagatta
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posted 19 June 2002 10:57 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, it is very sad that he was ill for a long time and died so young, he will be sorely missed.
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posted 19 June 2002 11:12 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Much of this is news to me, and I'm very grateful for the reference, Whazzup?. I admired Gould as a writer but knew almost nothing of his background -- it makes his work even more interesting and admirable.

Towards the end of the obit, there is the interesting information that Gould eventually argued that there is no fundamental conflict between religion and science, although the obit makes the flat claim that he did this "unconvincingly." I'd be curious to know how he put his view, which I'm inclined to share -- does anyone know?


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Whazzup?
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posted 19 June 2002 11:24 AM      Profile for Whazzup?     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I don't have an exact reference at hand, but if I remember correctly, he made a variation of the claim that science and religion describe two different realities -- material and moral, if you will. The "unconvincingly" seemed more of an ideological objection -- I expected far more of those kinds of claims (given the source), but was pleasantly surprised. It really was a fine and sensitive appraisal of Gould.

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posted 19 June 2002 11:34 AM      Profile for Whazzup?     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Double post. But after my crude summary, I thought I'd let a real writer summarize his position:

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The lack of conflict between science and religion arises from a lack of overlap between their respective domains of professional expertise - science in the empirical constitution of the universe, and religion in the search for proper ethical values and the spiritual meaning of our lives. The attainment of wisdom in a full life requires extensive attention to both domains - for a great book tells us that the truth can make us free and that we will live in optimal harmony with our fellows when we learn to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly.


Source: Gould, "Nonoverlapping Magisteria," in Natural History, Vol. 106, No. 2, March 1997

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posted 19 June 2002 11:42 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whazzup?, may I discreetly inquire, here on this national forum, what brings you to read Socialist Worker?
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lagatta
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posted 19 June 2002 11:50 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With the number of people on this forum who link to the Globe, the National Post and worse, what on earth is wrong with reading "Socialist Worker"?

The only problem would be if someone ONLY read Socialist Worker...


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posted 19 June 2002 12:15 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who said there was something wrong -- don't make assumptions! It's just that Whazzup? is a liberal.
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posted 19 June 2002 12:15 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's my assumption, and I'm stickin' to it.
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clersal
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posted 19 June 2002 12:25 PM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hell I didn't even know that Gould had died. I didn't know about his politics either. Thanks.
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Whazzup?
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posted 19 June 2002 12:32 PM      Profile for Whazzup?     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, it's true that the International Socialists are a strange bunch: I can't quite bring myself to loathe them, since they're so inconsequential. But the internet has a way of sucking you into reading things you'd ordinarily pass by on the newsstands -- and you often find real gems there.

I'm sympathetic to the Left -- but I think it's been wrong about a lot of things recently. A significant minority of the Left is similarly critical, but their views don't tend to get aired often enough (IMO) on Rabble.


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posted 19 June 2002 01:43 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Same here, clersal.
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Terry Johnson
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posted 19 June 2002 07:26 PM      Profile for Terry Johnson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I liked Gould for his politics. And science has lost one of its most gifted writers.

But I liked Richard Dawkins--the anti-Gould, if evolutionary biologists were atomic particles--for his views on religion. Instead of Gould's non-overlapping magisteria, Dawkins famously said that parents who taught religious beliefs to their children were engaging in child abuse.


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posted 20 June 2002 01:02 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
With the number of people on this forum who link to the Globe, the National Post and worse, what on earth is wrong with reading "Socialist Worker"?
The only problem would be if someone ONLY read Socialist Worker!

Or, only read the Globe.


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posted 20 June 2002 01:32 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Well, it's true that the International Socialists are a strange bunch: I can't quite bring myself to loathe them, since they're so inconsequential.

If you'd been involved in any activist group they'd attempted to dominate/hijack/use simply as a happy recruiting ground, you might have a different view.


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posted 14 September 2002 03:12 AM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't go for IS bashing. The comrades are in the struggle.

Gould is one of the most mazing and dynamic Anglo-American thinkers of the 20th century.

His book Wonderful Life about the Burgess Shale fossils in BC was just so revelatory for me. His book Mismeasure of Man is a very valuable tool for antiracist, feminist, and disability activists.

I wish more intellectuals tried to both challenge convention an orthodoxies, while remaining engaged and writing for people to be able to understand difficult ideas. So much of academia is so much a Tower of Babel. I was very moved when I learnt of his death.


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posted 14 September 2002 07:24 AM      Profile for sleK   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Richard Dawkins--the anti-Gould, if evolutionary biologists were atomic particles

Pick-up Goulds' latest; The Structure of Evolutionary Theory. He takes a number of eloquent pokes at Dawkins.

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posted 14 September 2002 08:10 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For me, Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" stands as one of those "required reading for every human on the planet" books.

"Skeptic" Magazine carried Gould's non overlapping magisterium idea along with a rebuttal from Dawkins about a year ago I think.

Back issues are available on line.

Sagan and now Gould.

It's a much dumber planet now than it was when these two guys were around.


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posted 16 September 2002 12:46 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hear, hear. Losing Peter Gzowski and SJ Gould in the same year *sniff* ... Gould was one of the great popularisers of science in my opinion. He had that wonderful ability to weave several topics together in a way that you learned about each, yet there was a feeling of awe that the connection could be made. I like Richard Dawkins a lot as well a sample of his work shows his wit and passion. I find him a little smug, though, and Terry Johnson's excellent description bears repeating
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But I liked Richard Dawkins--the anti-Gould, if evolutionary biologists were atomic particles
. The debates between the two on evolutionary biology are not too technical, and show how personality and personal belief influence scientific thought without undermining its epistemological assumptions. Both Dawkins and Gould have encyclopedic knowledge of their subject, are able popularisers of science, and are canny debaters. I can't help but think that SJG will be greatly missed by RD.

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posted 24 September 2002 10:35 PM      Profile for cosmiccommunist   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was shocked and very saddened tolearn of Gould's untimely death. I thought he was an anarchist, though. Im just making this assumption based on an essay i read of his entitled, "Kropotkin Was Not Entirely Full of Shit." At any rate, his radical and oppositional views on evolutionary theory will be missed. Somebody had to debunk the social darwinists who drew on bourgeois evolutionary theory for their views, and he was good at it. Plus, he was proof that a humanistic science is possible, despite the fact that science and technology have proven to be disastrous for the human species and often served as ideological justification for the continued domination and destruction of the earth and those who live on it. He will be sorely missed, and i cant help thinking of that George Jones song, "Who's Gonna Fill Their Shoes?" right about now.
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