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Topic: Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
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Snuckles
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posted 16 December 2005 11:21 AM
quote: By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, December 16, 2005; Page A01Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife. The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races. Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not. In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
Read it here. Also see Zebrafish Researchers Hook Gene for Human Skin Color
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DrConway
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posted 16 December 2005 05:05 PM
It has been my speculation that the visual recognition "system" in the brain that filters responses to other objects or beings works on a "how close to self is it" basis.The problem is that this "like self" filter is probably not sufficiently generous enough to accommodate skin color very well. So family is obviously "like self", your immediate community is "like self", but less so, and so on. Then people of different color appear to be "not like self", and this was probably the first primitive basis for racism. The modern advancements on the subject simply attempt to put an intellectual veneer over what is fundamentally an instinct that should have been bred out of humanity tens of thousands of years ago. I said it better over here, I think. [ 16 December 2005: Message edited by: DrConway ]
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Boarsbreath
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posted 16 December 2005 07:16 PM
Yeah, light skin for the vitamin D from sunlight, dark skin to keep out the extra UV...only, and I know how slight a difference can be and still matter over the generations, but honestly, having a light skin in the tropics really doesn't seem to hurt much. And after all the SE Asians (incl descendants in Madagascar) seem to cope just fine.My theory, which is mine *ahem*, is that it's easier to locate skin parasites on light skin. The colder your environment is, the more this matters -- you live in dank furs and huddled in small spaces. That might give a slight physical edge. But the main thing, as suggested above, is sexual selection. Light skin is a peacock tail. (And Stephen Harper is just a hopeful monster.)
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jeff house
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posted 16 December 2005 07:39 PM
quote: Light skin is a peacock tail.
How do you figure that? I thought dark skin was the peacock tail. Actually, I do think darker skin helps in the tropics. I spent time in Nicaragua and Colombia, and those with lighter skins appear to age more quickly. I wonder about melanomas, too. My sense, based upon a few cases only, is that light-skinned people get them more easily in the tropics. It might not be such a huge big deal now, but maybe it was before treatment was possible.
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Boarsbreath
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posted 17 December 2005 09:34 PM
Light skin as the peacock tail because the original was surely black, we then being in or near the tropics and black being so common in Africa. Sexual selection for it for no particular reason, just that it's different. *eye-popping smiley * Maybe it happened in Europe especially because of the presence for so long of Neanderthals -- we liked our mates to be as un-Neanderthal as possible!(That paler = better almost everywhere would be interesting, but it's too hard to filter out the unrelated status of Europeans after the Age of Discovery, since it's only from then we can have any real idea what was favoured in Africa or Americas. Asia, yes, but that's just 2 large samples.) And you bet, the association of black with bad is just black with dark, which of course represents bad. No reason ever to say "black" with such a meaning; just substitute dark. Except...Black Irish. That's too precious.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 18 December 2005 03:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by DrConway: I always wondered how this happened. It was my notion that somewhere along the line, the people who moved up north probably found their chances of success being like that of the polar bear's - that whiter skin tended to blend in better with snow and so the lighter extremes of the skin color spectrum tended to be reproductively favored.A chance mutation probably accelerated this process though.
I believe the selection pressure mostly had to do with rickets. Skin with less melanin blocks less sun from lower layers of skin making with the vitamin D, or something. If you're in latitudes where the sun's wimpy enough that light skin doesn't cause mucho sunburn problems etc., then it's a net benefit. I suspect that in Northern Europe, even stone age folks wore clothes of some sort, so camouflage wouldn't be all that big an issue. I don't buy the peacock tail thing. Selection pressures don't need to be that big to have a major cumulative effect, and at the same time it seems pretty clear that as soon as differing populations start to mix, they get together and have kids, so I don't see how sexual selection is supposed to work. I think people are underestimating the difficulties of life back when. Somewhat less vitamin deficiency could certainly make the difference between surviving the winter and not surviving the winter. On the other end, you don't even need skin cancer to explain selection pressures. Just at the simple level of vulnerability to bad sunburn and heatstroke, if you have no choice but to keep on gathering or hunting until you're ready to drop, then the light skinned person is either ready to drop quicker (and hence gets less food) or, if they insist on being stubborn about it because starvation's staring them in the face, may simply drop dead. My wife nearly died of sunburn and heat stroke one time in *Vancouver* when she was a teenager. I'm sure it can't be that tough to do so in many parts of Africa. [ 18 December 2005: Message edited by: Rufus Polson ]
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Fidel
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posted 21 December 2005 10:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Boarsbreath:
Which does bring up the problem of European hair: in all the world, Europeans are the only types with a variety of hair colour. (Not counting albinism, but noting the occasional blond Melanesian.) Why on earth is that?
There are polygenic models for blonde hair, apparently, but no one has actually been able to gene type the encoding for blonde hair - typing exists for red and brown, according to something I read. (Don't call me on it bc I enjoy a superficial understanding of this subject in vague generalities) This person discusses a possible explanation for red hair. Is it because there was no selection against gene mutations for red hair among northern Celtic tribes ?. (But I thought Celts extended from India to Mediterannean(including Italy and Spain) N Africa and British Isles?) [ 22 December 2005: Message edited by: Fidel ]
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