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Snuckles
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posted 24 April 2005 11:37 PM
quote: Paul Z. Myers April 24, 2005Intelligent design (ID) has failed to meet even the minimal standards of evidence and scholarship we should expect of the science we teach our children. Teaching it steals time from more vital subjects in which our kids should be grounded. Science is a conservative process. Most college-level introductory textbooks contain only material that has stood the test of time and has been confirmed independently. ID proponents have not only failed to provide any evidence for their thesis, they aren't even trying. There are no labs doing research on this subject; all the papers the Discovery Institute has tried to publish are exercises in spin, in which they try to distort biology researchers' work to fit their preconceptions. With no established body of results, no current work and no promising prospects for future research, why should ID be supported? It's a dead end. It is absurd to propose that our kids learn about a subject that no legitimate scientists are pursuing and that has no utility.
Read it here., or at PZ Myers' blog. [ 24 April 2005: Message edited by: Snuckles ]
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Erstwhile
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posted 25 April 2005 02:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Kick Jesus out of the White House and you'll kick him out of everywhere else at the same time.
Magoo! No! quote: "Christ For President"Let's have Christ our President Let us have him for our king Cast your vote for the Carpenter That they call the Nazarene The only way We could ever beat These crooked politician men Is to cast the moneychangers Out of the temple Put the Carpenter in Oh it's Jesus Christ our President God above our king With a job and pension for young and old We will make hallelujah ring Every year we waste enough To feed the ones who starve We build our civilization up And we shoot it down with wars But with the Carpenter On the seat Way up in the capitol town The USA Be on the way Prosperity bound Lyrics: Woody Guthrie Music: Wilco
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 25 April 2005 03:25 PM
True. I forgot that he used to be a non-judgemental hippie who had long hair. Long hair!The grooooovy Jesus. Hey, ever hear of Christ the Pantocriter? Apparently it's a Russian Orthodox thing. Unlike our Christian Jesus, who likes to hang out in pastoral settings surrounded by children and young sheep, Christ the Pantocriter is the angry Christ who doesn't suffer fools gladly. I saw a painting of this Christ once on the dome of a church, and it was rather frightening. Less "love thy neighbour" and more "who wants a piece of this?"
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arborman
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posted 25 April 2005 08:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Magoo: True. I forgot that he used to be a non-judgemental hippie who had long hair. Long hair!The grooooovy Jesus.
You are confusing him with his son Arlo. Woody Guthrie was significantly more complex than 'long hair!'. "By the time he arrived in California, in 1937, Woody had experienced the intense scorn, hatred, and antagonism of resident Californians who were opposed to the influx of outsiders. Woody's identification with outsider status would become part and parcel of his political and social positioning, one which gradually worked its way into his songwriting, as evident in his Dust Bowl Ballads such as I Ain't Got No Home, Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad, Talking Dust Bowl Blues, Tom Joad and Hard Travelin'. His 1937 radio broadcasts on KFVD, Los Angeles, and XELO (just over the border in Mexico) brought Woody and his new singing partner, Maxine Crissman or Lefty Lou, wide public attention, while providing him with a forum from which he could develop his talent for controversial social commentary and criticism on topics ranging from corrupt politicians, lawyers, and businessmen to praising the humanist principles of Jesus Christ, Pretty Boy Floyd, and Union organizers."
ALso denounced as a Communist by the HUAC. It is so much better to have a clue what you are talking about, as you usually are aware Magoo. Woody Biography [ 25 April 2005: Message edited by: arborman ]
From: I'm a solipsist - isn't everyone? | Registered: Aug 2003
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 26 April 2005 12:46 AM
Correct. I seem to recall that for a time at the end of the 60's and start of the 70's that Jesus was considered a bit of a counterculture hero by many. Long hair, sandals, defying the rules, peace and love... all that was missing was any mention of him getting high (though He'd be awesome to have around if you got the munchies).
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Surferosad
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posted 26 April 2005 01:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
Exactly. He was so sure that his Lamarckian beleifs were right and True Science (TM) that he didn't pay attention to pseudo-science. He was wrong. Don't get me wrong, the ID guys should be doing more to make their case, but I think they should be given the opportunity to do so. If they can produce good evidence, then we should accept it. If they can't, then it still has a place in the classroom, just like when I learned about acquired trait inheritance in high school as an idea that is reasonable, but contradictory to modern empirical evidence.
But they were given the opportunity! In fact, the point of view now defended by ID people was the standard belief amongst many scientists before Darwin! ID is an old theory that has been superseded by a new one. ID doesn't explain anything and is completely unnecessary and unsupported by evidence. Adopting ID now would be the equivalent of going back to the geocentric model of the solar system! ID believers have as much credibility as astrologers and UFO enthusiasts amongst serious scientists. And there's no point in arguing with a sincere believer in astrology (or a sincere believer in ID): it is obvious that what he believes in is bunkum. Arguing with a supporter of obvious bunkum is giving him a legitimacy that he doesn't deserve. It is also usually pointless, because believers in obvious bunkum are usually impermeable to rational arguments. If they could understand reason, they wouldn't believe in obvious bunkum. Problem is, these people won't shut the fuck up! They're still at it, even though they've been proven wrong and none of their theories are necessary to explain anything. See, ID isn't about science, ID is thinly disguised religious belief trying to pass as science! At least the Lysenko bullshit went away as soon as Staline croaked! [ 26 April 2005: Message edited by: Surferosad ]
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