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Topic: Patty Sahota to run in Burnaby?
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laylowmow88
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posted 08 September 2008 09:13 AM
Hi guys, i'm new to burnaby and new to rabble ... nice to meet you guys.i'm trying to get a handle on the burnaby politics at the provincial level. I heard that patty sahota might be running. Can anyone bring me up to date on what happened in the past in this area? I see from the past election results that she lost only by slim margin. Why is that? Cheers
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kropotkin1951
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posted 08 September 2008 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by laylowmow88:
What perplexes me is that (according to Wikipedia anyways) in 2001 patty won by more than 4500 votes, but by the next election she lost by less than 750 votes.If she was incumbent, shouldn't she theoretically have a stronger chance against a new-comer candidate? She almost got exactly the same number of votes in both elections. Furthermore, her opponent was also south asian, so was she not able to unite the south asian community to her side? Thanks
First of all Wiki is not a very reliable source. She was seen as being totally a Gordo supporter. Her claim to fame before being elected in Ujhal's meltdown election was working for Gordo. Raj on the other hand was an organizer first for the Farmworkers Union and then the HEU. He is a strong grassroots organizer and well respected in the farm workers community which in BC is primarily South Asian. She is a light weight so I sincerely hope to see her running again for the Liberals either federally or provincially because I love watching Liberals lose.
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Robo
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posted 08 September 2008 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by laylowmow88:
... Furthermore, her opponent was also south asian, so was she not able to unite the south asian community to her side?
Why should anyone presume that everyone who is of South Asian ancestry will vote for a candidate of South Asian ancestry? Had her opponent been or European or African ancestry, you imply that every voter of South Asian ancestry should have been presumed to have supported the only candidate of South Asian ancestry. It is highly offensive to suggest that candidates identified with any particular demographic group are presumed to "unite that community" to her/his side. There are candidates of South Asian ancestry; I don't presume that everyone of South Asian ancestry is presumed to support such candidates. There are candidates who are gay; I don't presume that every voter who is gay will vote for such candidates. There are candidates who have physicial disablities; I don't presume every voter with a physical diasability will vote for such candidates. People are people, in all of the diversity that being a person tends to be -- people have many attributes, and making presumptions about them on the basis of a particular attribute is inherently wrong. We shouldn't presume that "they all stick together". (At least that is what I have on doors I've knocked on and contacts I've made over the years.) Real people vote for a whole variety of reasons -- including common ancestry, common ideology, friends in common, dislike of the "main rival", and a host of reasons no one here can list completely. [ 08 September 2008: Message edited by: Robo ]
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robbie_dee
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posted 12 September 2008 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by laylowmow88:
What perplexes me is that (according to Wikipedia anyways) in 2001 patty won by more than 4500 votes, but by the next election she lost by less than 750 votes.If she was incumbent, shouldn't she theoretically have a stronger chance against a new-comer candidate? She almost got exactly the same number of votes in both elections. Furthermore, her opponent was also south asian, so was she not able to unite the south asian community to her side? Thanks
1. I'm not from B.C. and know nothing of this riding.
2. I do know, though, that 2001 was an electoral wipeout of the NDP across the province, whereas 2005 marked a significant comeback. If the candidate you are asking about got approximately the same number of votes in both elections, but won the first by a large margin and lost the second by a narrow margin, the answer seems obvious. A lot of NDP voters stayed home in 2001, but returned to support the party in 2005. In this particular case, there may have been some other local factors involved, too, but the overall trends of the two elections seem pretty obvious.
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laylowmow88
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posted 23 September 2008 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Robo:
Why should anyone presume that everyone who is of South Asian ancestry will vote for a candidate of South Asian ancestry? Had her opponent been or European or African ancestry, you imply that every voter of South Asian ancestry should have been presumed to have supported the only candidate of South Asian ancestry. It is highly offensive to suggest that candidates identified with any particular demographic group are presumed to "unite that community" to her/his side. There are candidates of South Asian ancestry; I don't presume that everyone of South Asian ancestry is presumed to support such candidates. There are candidates who are gay; I don't presume that every voter who is gay will vote for such candidates. There are candidates who have physicial disablities; I don't presume every voter with a physical diasability will vote for such candidates. People are people, in all of the diversity that being a person tends to be -- people have many attributes, and making presumptions about them on the basis of a particular attribute is inherently wrong. We shouldn't presume that "they all stick together". (At least that is what I have on doors I've knocked on and contacts I've made over the years.) Real people vote for a whole variety of reasons -- including common ancestry, common ideology, friends in common, dislike of the "main rival", and a host of reasons no one here can list completely. [ 08 September 2008: Message edited by: Robo ]
It's unfortunate that you are naive enough to find my comment offensive. If you have watched politics long enough, you should know that in BC especially, racial block voting is a fact of life. A candidate doesn't have to be south asian to get south asian votes, but recruit a south asian community leader. I've seen this done in the east asian, south asian, religious, and gay communities. And I think what you are missing is that racial block voting happens not because people are racist. Chinese vote for chinese, for example (I am not picking on south asians), because they identify with common values due to a common background. If you speak the same first language and are able to communicate to me effectively, share the same religious values, share the same family values, etc. why shouldn't I vote for you if you are the same race as me.
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kropotkin1951
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posted 23 September 2008 12:13 PM
Your political analysis leaves much to be desired. In Burnaby Raj beat out a very weak Liberal whose only claim to fame was being closely linked to Gordon Campbell. The fact that their heritage may be similar, qwuite frankly I don't know it well enough to know since South Asian is such a large term. It is like saying that a Russian-Canadian socialist would necessarily vote for a Serbian-Canadian Conservative candidate because they are both Slavic. The same real differences and similarities are evident in any community. There are Hindus from India as well as Muslims. There are various casts from the Hindu population. In all South Asian countries were there are elections there are politcal parties across the spectrum. What ever makes you think the people who immigrate to Canada are some monolithic voting block when they arrrive when they weren't before they arrived.I've met English immigrants who are pro-union NDP'ers and others who nasty right wingers. In the riding next door John Nuraney a Liberal beat a Chinese-Canadian candidate in a riding with about 50% Chinese and very few Zairians. quote:
John immigrated to Canada from Zaire in 1974 after his assets and business were nationalized by the Zairian government in 1973.
Your race analysis is just really stupid especially in BC. Go into any campaign in the Lower Mainland and if the candidate has any hope of winning you will almost certainly find a diverse multi ethnic team. That's how we elect MP's and MLA's.
From: North of Manifest Destiny | Registered: Jun 2002
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kropotkin1951
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posted 23 September 2008 12:45 PM
Richmond BC City Council quote:
Citizenship and Immigration Status Immigrants make up 57.4% of the City’s population, which is the highest proportion of any municipality in Canada. This was true in the previous two censuses as well, when the proportion of immigrants was lower (54.0% in 2001 and 48.3% in 1996).
There are 2,255 non-permanent residents –persons with work or study permits or refugee claimants and their family members.
The number and proportion of Richmond residents who are Canadian Citizens is also on the rise – going from 78.0% in 1996 to 86.3% in 2006.
Period of Immigration and Generation Status
While the number of new immigrants – those arriving in Canada in the last 5 years – has fallen relative to the peak of the 1991-1996 period, new immigrants still represent 18.8% of all immigrants and a tenth (10.8%) of the City’s total population. Nearly two-thirds (63.7%) of the City’s immigrants, representing 36.6% of the City’s population, immigrated since 1991. Consistent with the high number of recent immigrants, 65.2% of the City’s population aged 15 and over is a first-generation immigrant, while 16.5% are second generation and 18.2% are third generation or more. Where Our Immigrants Come From
Broadly speaking, our immigrants come from (with percent of all immigrants):
Asia and the Middle East (81.6%)
Europe (10.9%)
Africa (2.3%)
Americas or Oceania and other (5.2%)
The top specific areas of origin are (with percent of all immigrants):
People’s Republic of China (26.8%)
Hong Kong, Special Administrative Region (23.0%)
Other Eastern Asia (e.g. Japan, Korea) (10.0%)
Philippines (9.3%)
India (5.2%)
United Kingdom (4.1%)
Last I looked there were still a lot of white people running Richmond city council. look at those numbers. I just don't believe that people from Hong Kong are the same as people from Beijing just because they were born on the same continent. That's without going into the differences between people from Pakistan and India and Korea and Japan and the Philippines. Other than the fact many of the people from those regions look brown I don't see a whole lot more in common.
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