[ 17 March 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]

I am sure many people have regrets about their wartime experiences. Personally, I do not care for regrets and misgivings because I believe one’s actions depend on that moment of time.

[ 17 March 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]

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If you believe at the time of the incident, that your actions are justifiable and moral then you have no regrets or misgivings.

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That's what the military teaches anyhow. Which probably explains the PTSS and other serious effects of dehumanizing people into killing machines for suits in Ottawa's video game vision of war.

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Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:

That's what the military teaches anyhow. Which probably explains the PTSS and other serious effects of dehumanizing people into killing machines for suits in Ottawa's video game vision of war.

If that's how you deal with it fine but you need to acknowledge that there is a reason that you find yourself in certain "incidents" when you are in the military.

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What does the military teach? What manual or doctrine are you referring to?

Very few people in the Canadian military have combat experience. I would speculate that less than 3000 soldiers in the Canadian military have any serious combat experience.

There are very few “killing machines” in Canada.

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Originally posted by Webgear:
Yes, I acknowledge military personnel will always be in incidents beyond there control, that is the nature of the beast. Politicians never have the soldiers best interest at heart when making decisions.

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Indeed, like all the Imperial Army bureaucrats on the first Death Star. They probably thought they had a pretty damn safe posting. How were they to know about a small thermal exhaust port that, when hit by proton torpedo, would trigger a chain reaction and destroy the battlestation?

That's how it goes, though. Budget cuts, skills shortages, and it's too easy to skip over the required security design audit before starting construction on a planet-destroying superweapon.

[ 18 March 2008: Message edited by: Proaxiom ]

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Originally posted by Proaxiom:

Indeed, like all the Imperial Army bureaucrats on the first Death Star. They probably thought they had a pretty damn safe posting. How were they to know about a small thermal exhaust port that, when hit by proton torpedo, would trigger a chain reaction and destroy the battlestation?

That's how it goes, though. Budget cuts, skills shortages, and it's too easy to skip over the required security design audit before starting construction on a planet-destroying superweapon.

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If the Imperial Navy employed a proper screening fleet such as Corellian Gunships and Lancer-class Star Frigates along with Imperator-class Star Destroyers around the Death Star, then a hand full of Rebel fighters would never have been a serious threat.

Once the Rebel X-Wing fighters and Y-Wing Bombers appear, Lord Vader or the Duty Officer should have immediately launched the TIE fighters to provide a screen around the vulnerable exhaust port thus providing another layer of defence to the space station.

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Originally posted by Webgear:
If the Imperial Navy employed a proper screening fleet such as Corellian Gunships and Lancer-class Star Frigates along with Imperator-class Star Destroyers around the Death Star, then a hand full of Rebel fighters would never have been a serious threat.

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Now if the Imperial government had thought to unify the commands, maybe this would have been feasible. When you've just extorted a rebel leader into giving you their base location, you don't have time to get all the required approvals to initiate a joint action, and then try to negotiate an operational plan with all those egos at the table. You have to move before the rebels figure out the game is up and move their base.

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Once the Rebel X-Wing fighters and Y-Wing Bombers appear, Lord Vader or the Duty Officer should have immediately launched the TIE fighters to provide a screen around the vulnerable exhaust port thus providing another layer of defence to the space station.

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They didn't know about the exhaust port until after the fighter attack was analyzed. And given that it took them all of about 12 minutes, you'd think they might have gone through the effort before they were actually under attack. That's design by committee for you.

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Imperial bureaucrats most likely did not have a clue about the military and had most likely design a huge layer of paperwork and procedures in order to make the military more productive which in fact provided to be the exacted opposite of their intentions.

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Originally posted by Proaxiom:

Now if the Imperial government had thought to unify the commands, maybe this would have been feasible. When you've just extorted a rebel leader into giving you their base location, you don't have time to get all the required approvals to initiate a joint action, and then try to negotiate an operational plan with all those egos at the table. You have to move before the rebels figure out the game is up and move their base.

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The Imperial Navy had a unified chain of command; there should have not been a delay in orders or operational planning. The lack of proper defensive measures around the Death Star is the result of civilian bureaucrats interfering in military matters.

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They didn't know about the exhaust port until after the fighter attack was analyzed. And given that it took them all of about 12 minutes, you'd think they might have gone through the effort before they were actually under attack. That's design by committee for you.

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Regardless of the knowledge of weakness of the exhaust port, standard military procedures were not carried out, screening ships around a command ship is common military procedure in any blue, brown or space navy.

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They thought an AT-AT and Stormtrooper 'surge' would take care of the problem.

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Originally posted by Proaxiom:

I have been soundly out-geeked by Webgear.

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The other kids (two girls, one boy) are more like Wookies in Ewoks bodies, lots of hair and fury of activity and destruction around the house.

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