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Amy
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posted 10 April 2005 11:04 AM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Scientist said this week they had drilled into the lower section of Earth's crust for the first time and were poised to break through to the mantle in coming years.

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The new hole, which took nearly eight weeks to drill, is the third deepest ever made into the floor of the sea, according to the National Science Foundation (NSF). The rock collection brought back to the surface is providing new information about the planet's composition.

"It will provide important clues on how ocean crust forms," said Rodey Batiza, NSF program director for ocean drilling.

Already the types of rocks recovered show that conventional interpretation of Earth's evolution are "oversimplifying many of the features of the ocean’s crust," said expedition leader Jay Miller of Texas A&M University. "Each time we drill a hole, we learn that Earth’s structure is more complex. Our understanding of how the Earth evolved is changing accordingly."



I saw this link on slashdot. It's exciting! Click!

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Papal Bull
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posted 10 April 2005 11:13 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They should be drilling in the Middle East, that'll show them that the Earth has only been around for a few millenium, none of this hokuspokus billions of years!
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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 10 April 2005 11:28 AM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a terrible idea! They did this on Doctor Who and once they pierced the crust, everyone started turning into freakish monkey men in a quasi-fascist alternative universe!
THIS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO SUCCEED!

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posted 10 April 2005 01:03 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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This is a terrible idea! They did this on Doctor Who and once they pierced the crust, everyone started turning into freakish monkey men in a quasi-fascist alternative universe!

Would we notice the difference with George W. Bush in charge?


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nonsuch
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posted 10 April 2005 07:13 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe not, but we might notice poached prehistoric fish floating to the surface.
It's a bit scary.
Do they know how to plug the holes when they're done? Or do we only find out that it went wrong when the tsunami takes out Halifax and New York?

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Michelle
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posted 10 April 2005 07:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was thinking something similar, nonesuch. Who thought this would be a brilliant idea?
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posted 10 April 2005 07:21 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's fascinating. I've always been interested in the science of the inner Earth...especially since I saw that documentary, The Core last year.
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Mandos
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posted 10 April 2005 07:26 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can a (comparatively) thin hole actually cause a tsunami? I thought that tsunamis were caused by the sudden end-result of millenia of subtle tectonic shifting.
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Michelle
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posted 10 April 2005 07:27 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I wasn't agreeing about the tsunami speculation. I have no idea what the consequences of a hole like this would be.

I'm just concerned that perhaps those who are digging it might not either.


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Jimmy Brogan
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posted 10 April 2005 07:30 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe they'll find Rick Wakeman's career, which was last reported seen in the area.


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Mandos
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posted 10 April 2005 07:41 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but that's true of all research. Never know when that deadly plague created by an accident involving breeding cabbages may escape and exterminate humanity.
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rasmus
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posted 10 April 2005 07:54 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's how killer bees happened. Escaped from a Sao Paolo lab in the '50s.
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Mandos
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posted 10 April 2005 07:59 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, yes. The Africanized bee, with its gangsta bee rap and its beebonics and all that.

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Surferosad
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posted 10 April 2005 08:52 PM      Profile for Surferosad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is no danger. Absolutely no risk. Come on, use your common sense: what do you think is liable to happen if you make a tiny little deep hole in the Earth's oceanic crust? At the depths they're drilling, the huge pressures and high temperatures turn the crust into something resembling very dense, very viscous plastic. The hole won't last long.

It's not like they're exploding bombs or anything. It's just a drill hole a few cms in diameter! By the way, do you know that there are much bigger holes (much, much bigger, and much hotter) under Hawaii, Iceland and other volcanic hotspots?

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posted 10 April 2005 08:54 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmmm... ya think maybe someone took this hole-drilling device to Jason Kenny's nostrils?
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Anchoress
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posted 10 April 2005 08:56 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A big tool for a big hole.

Or is it...

A big hole for a big tool.


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ian gregson
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posted 10 April 2005 09:59 PM      Profile for ian gregson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm just hope the price of cheese will go down when they get to what they are drilling for.

Cheese can replace fossil fuels as a great source of energy. This is why no one has been to the moon in ages, they are secretly mining all the cheese and it is running low.

The cheese at the centre of the earth will probably taste fresher also, since it kinda like buying local compared to the cheese from the moon.

Here's to more cheese.....


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Mandos
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The earth has a creamy soft centre. With a smooth milk chocolate outer layer.
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posted 10 April 2005 10:56 PM      Profile for Ethical Redneck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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This is a terrible idea! They did this on Doctor Who and once they pierced the crust, everyone started turning into freakish monkey men in a quasi-fascist alternative universe!

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Would we notice the difference with George W. Bush in charge?


That's exactly what I was thinking. Ain't sumthin like this already happen in the US?

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Maybe they'll find Rick Wakeman's career, which was last reported seen in the area.

Hey. I still got that album! I ain't listened to it in about 25 years, but I remember it well. Maybe I'll play it when they punch a hole into the mantle and Magma spirts up and fries us all.

What way to go. At least it's better to burn out, like we will on that day, than to fade away, which is what Rick Wakeman did.


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Stevenson figures that a nuclear device would likely be the best way to blast the necessary gap, as long and deep as several football fields and about 1 foot wide (30 centimeters). The event would be commensurate with an Earthquake measuring 7 on the Richter Scale.


Wouldn’t it cause (or already causing) an earthquake or few? Some of the ‘scientist’, for the purposes of fulfilling their sometimes egoistic curiosity, can destroy (and probably already destroying) lives and may be the Earth itself.

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posted 11 April 2005 06:10 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i wouldn't worry about the freakish monkeymen. fire extinguishers and venusian karate seemed to work just fine on them.
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posted 11 April 2005 08:10 AM      Profile for Surferosad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by venus_man:

Wouldn’t it cause (or already causing) an earthquake or few? Some of the ‘scientist’, for the purposes of fulfilling their sometimes egoistic curiosity, can destroy (and probably already destroying) lives and may be the Earth itself.

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Nobody is going to use no "nucular" devices anywhere. They're using a drill very similar to the ones used for oil prospecting.

Funny, I thought it was gullibility, ignorance, short term thinking and egoism who were destroying the Earth... Oh well, I guess I must be wrong.

Maybe it's them damn evil power mad scientists who are doing it! They're meddling with the forces of nature! How dare they play GOD! "They LAUGHED at my theories at the institute! Fools! Fools! I'll destroy them all!" --

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posted 11 April 2005 08:35 AM      Profile for venus_man        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by Surferosad:

Funny, I thought it was gullibility, ignorance, short term thinking and egoism who were destroying the Earth... Oh well, I guess I must be wrong.


No, I don’t think you are wrong. And these could resurface through science, religion, new age etc. The sensitive approach in my opinion is valuable and important. It allows to be aware of the surroundings, environment, flora, fauna etc. It implies experimentation aimed towards common good, where the results would benefit great number of people in the areas of ideas, knowledge, medicine or day-to-day existence. It also calls for the equilibrium and harmony with earth’s forces and elements as well as its fragile (subtle) bio-environment. And from it stems responsibility, especially in a field of science.
Otherwise, more cruel bombs, bad drugs, GMF etc.


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posted 11 April 2005 08:58 AM      Profile for Surferosad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, and scientific research is the best way to figure out what's broken and how to fix it. As I wrote before, scientific knowledge is, for the most part, morally neutral. It's up to the public and politicians to use it for good or for evil. An example: the exact same technology that is used to build ICBMs and nuclear bombs can also be used for space travel. Now, what scientists should do (and they don't do it enough) is get out of their ivory towers and discuss these things with everyone involved. This would not only help clarify a lot of questions, but it would probably also leave a lot less room for all the pseudoscientific bullshit that is hoisted on an unsuspecting public.

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Originally posted by Surferosad:
... It's up to the public and politicians to use it (science) for good or for evil. Now, what scientists should do (and they don't do it enough) is get out of their ivory towers and discuss these things with everyone involved.

So its like scientists are the priests of our days in close communion with atoms. Once again- sounds like a scientific evangelism. Scientists are people (not robots) and science is their job. And they are the ones who should decide for whom and what to work upon, unless they got lured by big buck for developing something that causes destruction. Honest experiments, like those of Tesla for example, could be the real science cause they aimed for the benefit and enrichment of human evolution. “When Tesla returned from Colorado Springs to New York, he wrote a sensational article for Century Magazine. In this detailed, futuristic vision he described a means of tapping the sun's energy with an antenna. He suggested that it would be possible to control the weather with electrical energy. He predicted machines that would make war an impossibility. And he proposed a global system of wireless communications. To most people the ideas were almost incomprehensible, but Tesla was a man who could not be underestimated.”


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Stop it with that "scientific evangelism" bullshit. It's bunk and it makes you look like a nutter. It's rather stupid to attack the institution just because no evidence supports some of your favourite notions. It often happened that some of my favourite ideas were totally destroyed by evidence, a colleague's objections or new information. Sometimes it's a drag, but at least it makes me feel like I'm getting somewhere, that I don't have to waste time going down blind alleys. An "honest experiment" doesn't necessarily tells you what you want to hear! Live and learn...

And you're right, scientists are people too. Some of them will have ideas and support causes that we both would consider to be wrong. You can't impose a moral code on them, like you can't impose morals on other citizens. So yeah, some of them will work for the military, and some of them will create weapons...

It would be great if we could know immediately all the consequences of a new invention or discovery. But we can't. Science and technology are often double edged swords. If you don't do something because of the bad things it may do, you will also miss on the good things it might bring.

Tesla is not the best example of a "scientist". First, he was an engineer and inventor, not a scientist. He wasn't very interested in first principles. Like Edison, he was more into technological applications. Second, he was a bit of a crank.

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posted 11 April 2005 03:20 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Surferosad:
[QB]Stop it with that "scientific evangelism" bullshit.

And "evangelists" is an anagram of "evil's agents".


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There's no mystery about Rick Wakeman's career. He's currently half way through a thirty year sentence for "gratuitous use of a synthesizer, with malice of forethought".

How big in diameter is the hole? How big is the earth? I'm not sure we can drill a hole large enough in diameter to make any significant effect on the globe.

Myself, I'd be drilling another hole beside it, and intersecting them at the bottom, and filling it up with water, with a generator on the top.

We need all the electricity we can get to keep those billboards illuminated through the wee hours of the night, so five or six people can see them, and be adequately advertized at.

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I'm not sure you'd need to drill that deep to get useful amounts of geothermal energy- I suspect the only reason to drill this deeply is curiousity- learning the fine details of our Earth's structure. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Ideally, though, I'd like to see the energy produced from this to be put to use- if nothing else, to run the drilling system, which would probably use quite a bit of energy in its own right.


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