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stupendousgirlie
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posted 08 January 2006 10:51 AM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On another thread, I speculated that if the CPC wins a minority, a lot of high profile CPC MP's are going to be disappointed because their extremist views would be a liability and the party would want them either on the back bench or in charge of something obscure and non-threatening. The reason for this is because IF IF IF the CPC wins a minority, they will be looking squarely at positioning themselves to win a majority a year or so down the road.

With this in mind, here is my prediction of who will be disappointed and what their ministerial positions might be should the CPC win...

Rob Anders - Minister of Paper Clips and Envelopes
Stockwell Day - Minister of Toilet Paper
Jason Kenney - Minister of Chicken Wings and Timbits
Cheryl Gallant - Minister of Snow Removal
Myron Thompson - Minister of Cowboy Boots, Bad Hats and Western Shirts


Feel free to add your own...

[ 08 January 2006: Message edited by: stupendousgirlie ]


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Day and Kenney have been allowed to play prominent roles up until now. I expect that will continue.
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Day, Kenney, and Rona Ambrose are for sures.

Rob Anders he'll silence.


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Certainly Ambrose is shoo-in.

Unfortunately so is Toews in justice.


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It would be interesting to see who he would bring in from east of the Manitoba/Ontario border?

In Ontario I would think Baird, Flaherty and Clement would be considered, if elected due to their provincial experince. Baird was in way over his head in every portfolio he was placed in. I guess the conservatives also think Helena Geurgis and Bev Oda are stars so they both could be in (Geurgis being the more likely one). I think Daryl Kramp might have an outside shot as Solicitor General - both as a former police officer and as well as someone from the PC side of the party. In Quebec, I guess if Josee Varner did get elected she would be in. Same thing for Maxime Bernier in Beauce. What Conservative senators are there from Quebec? Nova Scotia would obviously be McKay. I think Keddy would be difficult as it would piss of all the so-cons, especially if Prentice and Baird were already in. New Brunswick will be Greg Thompson by default. Unless there is a P.E.I. conservative Senator, there will be no cabmin from PEI under a CPC government. Newfoundland would likely be Loyola Hearn, unless he loses, in which case it would be Norman Doyle.


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He might give slight demotions to Jim Prentice, Stockwell Day and Peter McKay, these are his clearest leadership contenders. Instead of doing the mistake Chretien did by putting Paul Martin at finance, he'll be like Paul Martin, and put in a real loser like Goodale at the second most important post.

And a Quebec MP as deputy prime minister.


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I suspect a Conservative Cabinet would be very similar to the Conservative Shadow Cabinet, barring any changes Harper might make to the size and shape of Cabinet.
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy (Andrew):
Rob Anders he'll silence.

Yes, after dissing Mandela he has permanent duct tape over his piehole and a permanent limit on his career. If there is one thing I can't forgive Calgary for, its repeatedly sending this dirtbag to Ottawa.


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quote:
Originally posted by Privateer:

If there is one thing I can't forgive Calgary for, its repeatedly sending this dirtbag to Ottawa.



I feel much the same about Surrey and Randy White.

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quote:
Originally posted by fast_twitch_neurons:

And a Quebec MP as deputy prime minister.

If there is one.


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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
I feel much the same about Surrey and Randy White.

Um, Heph, I don't think Randy White ever represented any part of Surrey. Maybe you mean Abbotsford?

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Okay, Abbotsford, then. There's lots of other reasons not to like Surrey...
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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
Day and Kenney have been allowed to play prominent roles up until now. I expect that will continue.
The Honourable Jason Kenney - Secretary of State for CWAGA, Canadians Who Aren't Gettin' Any.

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According to this article from Canwest news it looks like Harper's getting set to screw over the west.

quote:
A number of longtime Conservative members of Parliament from Western Canada could find themselves left out of plum cabinet postings in a government led by Stephen Harper, Tory insiders say.

Ontario and Quebec MPs are certain to have top billing in a Conservative government, both because of the pedigree of those running for office and because of the need for the Tories to continue to build on gains they may make in Eastern Canada.

MacKay, a former Crown prosecutor, could be headed for the justice portfolio, both because of his experience with the issues and because he is viewed as a moderate who could easily parry opposition charges the Tories would run roughshod over individual rights. Justice critic Vic Toews, from Manitoba, is viewed as a risk because of his gay marriage stance, but will be the senior minister for the province.

Alberta, which will be again go overwhelmingly Conservative, will be well represented, but the Tory leader will also have tough choices to make.

Diane Ablonczy is a top choice for tackling wait-times as health minister; Ted Menzies, former president of the Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance, could get the all-important international trade file to tackle softwood lumber; Monte Solberg is expected to stay on as finance minister and Jim Prentice should take a more pressing file than his current aboriginal affairs portfolio, with some suggesting environment minister.

But some Alberta MPs could be left off the front bench including Edmonton's James Rajotte and Rahim Jaffer; Calgary's Lee Richardson and Red Deer's Bob Mills.

In British Columbia, reliable Conservative MPs such as Gary Lunn and James Moore could take smaller roles in a Tory government despite their effectiveness in opposition.

Instead, B.C. is guaranteed to see former Canadian Alliance leader Stockwell Day in cabinet, but possibly not in the foreign affairs role.

Some observers note that he has successfully walked the delicate line on Middle East politics as a critic, and visited many of the international hotspots, but could be vulnerable because his personal views, particularly on the Mideast, are to the right of Harper's merged Conservatives.



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I am less interested in Alberta cabinet positions and far more interested in how Ralphie is going to handle the Prime Minister of Canada in the same geographic boundary as his Alberta consituency office...
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Originally posted by Contrarian in another thread:
Monte Solberg: Finance, maybe; and in general Diane Ablonczy, Rona Ambrose. I forget what other names, probably Jim Prentice (and Wilf, he's one of the more moderate ones and probably should not be left out)

Yes, but that was the point of my cabinet-making exercise: too many Albertans. In a cabinet of 37, the cabinet is about 12% of the province's MPs. That's not a rule, but a fact of life. Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Newfoundland each rate 1. Quebec would rate 9, if they had them. Ontario 13. Manitoba and Saskatchewan 2 each. Alberta 3.36, but given the circumstances, 4, plus Harper. BC 4.32, 4 or 5.

His 5 Alberta front-benchers in the last House were Monte Solberg, Rona Ambrose, James Rajotte, Diane Ablonczy, and Bob Mills. I've left out Bob Mills already to get it down to four.

Who would Jim Prentice bump? Does Harper want Jim Prentice that badly? And what about Jason Kenney?

For convenience, here's my list again (sorry).

I see speculation that his cabinet will be fewer than 37, perhaps as small as 25. A slimmer cabinet is good with a new government, giving you room to add unknown newcomers, but I make it 32 plus Harper. Harper's cabinet presumptive, using their former critic titles, is:

Peter MacKay: Deputy Leader, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Jay Hill: House Leader
Monte Solberg: Finance
Vic Toews: Justice and Attorney General of Canada
Rona Ambrose: Intergovernmental Affairs
Stockwell Day: Foreign Affairs
Rob Nicholson: Transport
Diane Finley: Agriculture and Agri-Food
Gordon O'Connor: National Defence
Betty Hinton: Veterans Affairs
Guy Lauzon: Treasury Board, Official Languages
Loyola Hearn: Fisheries and Oceans
Diane Ablonczy: Citizenship and Immigration
John Duncan: Natural Resources, if re-elected, otherwise Gary Lunn
Bev Oda: Canadian Heritage
Lynne Yelich: Status of Women, Families and Caregivers
Peter Van Loan: Human Resources and Skills Development
James Moore: Public Works and Government Services, Sport
Steven Fletcher: Health
Carol Skelton (if re-elected): Social Development, Public Health
James Rajotte: Industry
Greg Thompson: Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Scott Reid: Democratic Reform
Dave Mackenzie: Associate Minister of Defence
Helena Guergis: International Cooperation (She came into shadow cabinet to replace Belinda Stronach)
Pierre-Claude Nolin: government leader in the Senate.

To be elected:
Josée Verner
Lawrence Cannon
Maxime Bernier
Jim Flaherty
Tony Clement
John Baird

Available potfolios:
Environment
Indian Affairs and Northern Development
National Revenue
Labour
Housing
Western Economic Diversification
Multiculturalism
International Trade
Infrastructure and Communities
Canadian Wheat Board.

Left out for reason of too many Albertans:
Jim Prentice, now Indian Affairs and Northern Development critic
Deepak Obhrai, now Multiculturalism critic
Jason Kenney, now Deputy House Leader
Bob Mills, Environment critic
Ted Menzies, International Trade critic
Rahim Jaffer, Infrastructure and Communities critic

Not in cabinet:
Brian Pallister, now National Revenue critic
Merv Tweed, now Western Economic Diversification critic
David Anderson, now Canadian Wheat Board critic
Ed Komarnicki Labour and Housing
Norm Doyle, now (and future?) Caucus Chair

That makes 12 of the 33 from Ontario. If John Capobianco gets elected, they'll squeeze him in. Only 4 from Quebec, so if someone else gets elected they'll have a fine shot. Of the 33, 9 are women, 27%, a lot better than their caucus.

[ 16 January 2006: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]


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Solberg will not be, had better not be, Finance Minister.

Harper will have to ask his favorite supporters (Solberg is one) to take one for the team if they don't have the experience. Solberg has never even run a business of any significance; he'll be laughed at as Finance minister.

Prentice I still think will see a cabinet post. He has a lot of support from caucus despite his progressive stand on many issues... because he is a good, smart, person. He's had a lot of profile in the campaign and before, across the country. I find it hard to believe that Prentice will be sidelined.

Its possible, however. Harper may view Prentice as a longer term threat (leadership), but usually you want your enemies close at hand than off in the wilderness plotting thus I don't think he will be put in the back benches.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Watkins:
Prentice I still think will see a cabinet post.

By leaving out Ablonczy? Or by having five Alberta ministers plus Harper?

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I hope you're all wrong and there's an NDP minority.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
By leaving out Ablonczy? Or by having five Alberta ministers plus Harper?

Here's the thing - in that Canwest article, Prentice is the *only* western MP from the former Progressive Conservative party. Aside from MacKay, Prentice is the only former PC partisan that gets much profile these days. Loyola Hearn used to, but that was due to the merger now long over.

Prentice enjoys the support of quite a few MP's and a goodly number of former PC members as well as former Alliance members. I'll be shocked if Prentice is left completely out.


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Based on the latest projections, add two more Quebec cabinet ministers: Christian Paradis, a Thetford lawyer since 1997, and Steven Blaney of Lévis, project manager in environmental engineering and urban infrastructure.

That's 35. With Jim Prentice, 36. Getting crowded.


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Lord Conrad Black would have made an excellent Finance neo con minister.

Pity he's not available at this time.


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In the G&M, Gary Mason went through the possible B.C. members of cabinet. He suggested Day was a shoe in. I think James Moore was the number 2 guy.

He also suggested, among others, Phil Eidsivik for fisheries(yuck) and Cindy Silver (yuckier). For a while I thought Darrell Reid's name was going to come up.


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Harper will create a new cabinet position:
Minister in Charge of Intelligent Design.

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Here's a wild stab. It assumes a Con minority with NDP balance of power. The NDP get 6-7 cabinet posts. I still haven't counted the Liberals out personally. I think the polling numbers right now are really erratic and it will come down to who holds Ontario.

Cabinet:
Diane Ablonczy or Peter McKay- Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
John Baird- Minister of Finance
Vic Toews or Rob Nicholson- Minister of Transport
Diane Ablonczy- President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs
Linda Duncan or Jim Prentice- Minister of the Environment
Monte Solberg- Minister of Foreign Affairs
Jim Prentice or James Moore- Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Federal Interlocutor for Métis and Non-Status Indians
Lawrence Cannon- Minister of International Trade
Steven Fletcher- Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, Minister of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)
Stockwell Day or Gordon O’Connor- Minister of National Defence
Gordon O’Connor or Betty Hinton- Minister of Veterans Affairs
Bill Blaikie- President of the Treasury Board, Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board, President of the Treasury Board
Loyola Hearn- Minister of Fisheries and Oceans
Jay Hill- House Leader
Alexa McDonough or Stockwell Day- Minister of International Cooperation
Peter McKay or Vic Toews- Minister of Justice, Attorney General of Canada
John Duncan- Minister of Natural Resources
Bev Oda- Minister of Canadian Heritage, Minister responsible for Status of Women
Libby Davies- Minister of Citizenship and Immigration
Scott Reid or Alexa McDonough- Minister of Labour and Housing
Carol Skelton- Minister of Public Works and Government Services
Jack Layton- Minister of Health
Rona Ambrose- Minister of Social Development
Peter Van Loan- Minister of Industry
Yvon Godin- Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development, Minister responsible for Democratic Renewal
Minister of State (Northern Development)
Nina Grewal or Rahim Jaffer - Minister of State (Multiculturalism)
John Capobianco or David Sweet- Minister of State (Human Resources Development)
Maxime Bernier -Minister of National Revenue
Jason Kenney or Jean Crowder- Minister of Western Economic Diversification, Minister of State (Sport)
George Thompson, Minister of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Jason Kenney or Gary Lunn, Deputy House Leader, Minister responsible for Official Languages, Associate Minister of National Defence, Minister for Internal Trade
Helena Guergis- Minister of State (Public Health)
Josée Verner- Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec, Minister responsible for the Francophonie
Gerald Keddy or Lois Brown- Minister of State (Infrastructure and Communities)
Lynne Yelich- Minister of State (Families and Caregivers)


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I'd assume whichever of the top five Alberta MPs gets left out of cabinet would be offered the Speaker's chair.
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Cabinet posts for the NDP under the tories??? When hell freezes over...
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If the NDP took posts in a Stephen Harper cabinet after refusing to do so in Trudeau cabinet (quite rightly, IMO), there'd be no longer any reason to call me a Liberal shill. I'd be a proud, open Liberal. NDPers taking posts in a Harper cabinet would be a complete betrayal of everything the NDP stands for - but it's silly to speculate on. The offer would never be made, nor would it ever be accepted.
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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
NDPers taking posts in a Harper cabinet would be a complete betrayal of everything the NDP stands for - but it's silly to speculate on.

The only comparable event I know of was the Labour - Fianna Fail (conservative/nationalist) coalition in Ireland in 1992 to 1994. In 1994 Labour walked out, and the Fianna Fail leader resigned. Interestingly, no election resulted. A "rainbow coalition" government was formed of the centrist Fine Gael party, Labour, and the Democratic Left (ex-Marxists).

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Add one more: George Noble, their best bet in PEI: Minister of Sport. Recreation Coordinator for the Provincial Correctional Centre for 26 years. President of North Star Minor Hockey, and a board member of the PEI Minor Hockey Council. He was also the General Manager of the Cornwall Thunder Major Midget Hockey Club and the Chairman of the Host Committee for the 2006 Atlantic Midget AAA Hockey Championships.

That's 37. Full up, with only 6 from Quebec, when it should be 9. Too many Albertans.


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Those qualifications almost guarantee he won't end up with sports. Look at Ken Dryden. Also, it's the kind of portfolio I'd expect the Cons to get rid of anyway. If, as has been rumoured,, there will only be a 25-member cabinet, I can't see that being one of the portfolios.
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Brian Mulroney - minister of finance for robber barons

Mike Harris - minister of privatization for Multinationals


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CBC's Newsworld Morning host Heather Hiscok was interviewing a radio talk show host a few minutes ago who raised the anger being felt in Nova Scotia about some comments made by Harper in relation to the possibility of "favourite son" Peter Mackay being Deputy Prime Minister. Apparently, to end speculation about Mackay being Deputy PM, Harper said, "you know, that's not how it's done". What the hey?
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George Noble, their best bet in PEI

Not likely. More like Tom DeBlois, Minister of Health: In the health field he served as the Founding Chair of the Queen Elizabeth Hospital Foundation and held that position for five years. He also served an additional six years on the Foundation Board, and served seven years on the QEH Board of Trustees. A member of the Board of Health and Community Services Agency he served as Founding Chair of the Queens Region Health and Community Services Board from 1994-1998.


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Current propects, using their former critic titles:

Peter MacKay: Deputy Leader, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Jay Hill: House Leader
Monte Solberg: Finance
Vic Toews: Justice and Attorney General of Canada
Rona Ambrose: Intergovernmental Affairs
Stockwell Day: Foreign Affairs
Rob Nicholson: Transport
Diane Finley: Agriculture and Agri-Food
Gordon O'Connor: National Defence
Betty Hinton: Veterans Affairs
Guy Lauzon: Treasury Board, Official Languages
Loyola Hearn: Fisheries and Oceans
Diane Ablonczy: Citizenship and Immigration
Gary Lunn: Social Development
Bev Oda: Canadian Heritage
Jim Prentice: Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Lynne Yelich: Status of Women, Families and Caregivers
Peter Van Loan: Human Resources and Skills Development
James Moore: Public Works and Government Services, Sport
Steven Fletcher: Health
Carol Skelton: Public Health
James Rajotte: Industry
Greg Thompson: Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Scott Reid: Democratic Reform
Dave Mackenzie: Associate Minister of Defence
Helena Guergis: International Cooperation (She came into shadow cabinet to replace Belinda Stronach)
Pierre-Claude Nolin: government leader in the Senate.

Newly elected:
Jim Flaherty
John Baird
Tony Clement (if his 21-vote margin survives)
Lawrence Cannon
Josée Verner
Maxime Bernier
Jean-Pierre Blackburn
Stephen Blaney
Christian Paradis

Two more from Quebec:
Sylvie Boucher?
Luc Harvey?
Daniel Petit?
Jacques Gourde?

That's 38, plus Harper. Too big.


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I wonder who will be the Ambasador to the United States. WIll it be someone who will speak for Canada's interests or someone who will be sent to pay homage?

A few have mentioned Stockwell Day having foreign affairs aspirations. In these times it would be beneficial to have someone who has traveled and lived outside the country and has a little more exposure to other cultures than those of Red Deer and the Okanagan.


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Ambassador** oops
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Originally posted by eaucanada:
I wonder who will be the Ambasador to the United States.

John Reynolds, if he wants it. Or whatever else he wants, within reason.

Although, without him running, the Conservatives lost West Van to a Liberal. Will that be blamed on Reynolds?


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Alberta's Jason Kenney, who has been one of Harper's close supporters, will also draw a senior economic portfolio, such as president of Treasury Board.
But the article leaves out several other Albertans like James Rajotte and Jim Prentice, naming only Monte Solberg, Rona Ambrose, and Diane Ablonczy.

quote:
Originally posted by John_D:
I'd assume whichever of the top five Alberta MPs gets left out of cabinet would be offered the Speaker's chair.

He is thought to prefer a smaller cabinet of perhaps about 28 people.
That would solve his Quebec problem; Quebec's share of 28 is 7: the six MPs generally mentioned, plus Senator Nolin.

But then the rest should be:
Nfld 1
NS 1
NB 1
Ont. 9 or 10
Man. 1
Sask. 1
Alberta 3 (not 4)
BC 3 or 4

Too many Albertans. Just Monte Solberg, Rona Ambrose, and Diane Ablonczy? No Jason Kenney, James Rajotte or Jim Prentice?

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He certainly faces an abject lack of talent. I wouldn't want any of them for anything, not even a bowling team (if I bowled that is).
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I would think he'd want a Senator from PEI a cabinet member, so there's representation from that province. There are no Tory Senators from PEI, but there is a Senate vacancy there... if Harper is particularly clever, he'll suggest to Pat Binns that he hold an election for that Senate spot, and promise Islanders that if the winner is a Tory, he'll get into Cabinet. That should be enough to ensure some form of Conservative representation from the Island, and since the person would have won an election they'd have a legitimacy in cabinet that most Senators don't.
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I just heard Lee Richardson on Don Newman's Politics. On Mulroney's transition team in 1983-4, elected in 1988 as a PC, and not again until 2004. But he was in the third row, not in the shadow cabinet, and I'd forgotten him. Why did they spurn his experience, when he understands, as he says, the discipline of power?
quote:
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if the winner is a Tory, he'll get into Cabinet.

Creative thinking. But the Leader of the Government in the Senate is always in cabinet, and that would be Senator Nolin. When the new Senator from PEI arrives, he could hardly become Senate Leader right away. Two Senators? One being elected? Maybe.

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Here's my stab at the Harper Cabinet:

Prime Minister: Stephen Harper
Deputy PM / Industry: Lawrence Cannon
House Leader: Jay Hill
Senate Leader: Pierre-Claude Nolin
Finance: Monte Solberg
Defence: Stockwell Day
Transport: Rob Nicholson
Foreign Affairs: Diane Ablonczy
Justice: Peter MacKay
Health: Stephen Fletcher
Intergovernmental Affairs: Tony Clement
Treasury Board: Jim Flaherty
Social Development: Rona Ambrose
Human Resources: Josee Verner
International Trade: Garth Turner
Canadian Heritage: Bev Oda
Indian Affairs: Jim Prentice
Natural Resources: Lynne Yelich
Public Works: John Baird
Agriculture: Diane Finley
Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness: Vic Toews
Fisheries and Oceans: Loyola Hearn
Immigration: James Moore
Environment: Bob Mills
Western Economic Development: Carol Skelton
ACOA: Greg Thompson
Veterans' Affairs: Gordon O'Connor
National Revenue: Maxime Bernier
Labour and Housing: Peter Van Loan
International Cooperation: Helena Guergis

Ministers of State:
Federal Economic Development for Quebec: Jean-Pierre Blackburn
Infrastructure and Communities: Bev Shipley

ETA: I disagree with you, Wilf, that each province's 'share' of the Cabinet seats should be based purely on population. Surely the percentage of caucus coming from a particular province must play a role. It seems absurd to me that Alberta would have 3X the representation in the Conservative caucus versus Quebec, but only half the number of ministers from Quebec (ie 3 ministers out of 28 versus 7 out of 10). Granted, Quebec is a special case and Harper will want to be seen as giving Quebec it's due, but I think 4 or 5 ministers from Quebec is about the maximum that's realistic. I'd expect to see Alberta with at least 5 seats at the table (including Harper).

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Flaherty may very well get Finance over Solberg.

Wasn't he the "fudge it budget" guy under Ernie Eves, who produced fictional balanced budgets that turned into multi-billion dollar deficits?

Sounds perfectly qualified to be a Conservative Finance Minister.


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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:

John Reynolds, if he wants it. Or whatever else he wants, within reason.

Although, without him running, the Conservatives lost West Van to a Liberal. Will that be blamed on Reynolds?


No, I think that'll be blamed on John Weston, who failed in his attempt to hold the seat for the Conservative. His campaign had a few gaffes, and he was continiously highlighted as a social conservative with ties to the Chrstian right in the local media. Oh, and he was continiously highlighted as someone who first nations in the province urged the residents of the riding not to elect due to his position on the fisheries issue.

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quote:
Originally posted by ghoris:
Here's my stab at the Harper Cabinet:


Very interesting, and generally plausible.
quote:
Originally posted by ghoris:
Prime Minister: Stephen Harper
Finance: Monte Solberg
Foreign Affairs: Diane Ablonczy
Social Development: Rona Ambrose
Indian Affairs: Jim Prentice
Environment: Bob Mills
I'd expect to see Alberta with at least 5 seats at the table (including Harper).


You have six, including Harper, but only three from BC. Not so plausible.
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Originally posted by ghoris:
Deputy PM / Industry: Lawrence Cannon
Senate Leader: Pierre-Claude Nolin
Human Resources: Josee Verner
National Revenue: Maxime Bernier
Federal Economic Development for Quebec: Jean-Pierre Blackburn

I think 4 or 5 ministers from Quebec is about the maximum that's realistic.



Why? What's wrong with Christian Paradis and Stephen Blaney? They're far from "accidental MPs."

And how will Dave Mackenzie feel, having a second-row critic post in the last House, being bumped by newbie Bev Shipley?

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Why not Stockwell Day for Speaker? He's bilingual (I think) and it would keep him out of Cabinet without being considered a demotion.
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quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
Flaherty may very well get Finance over Solberg.

Wasn't he the "fudge it budget" guy under Ernie Eves, who produced fictional balanced budgets that turned into multi-billion dollar deficits?

Sounds perfectly qualified to be a Conservative Finance Minister.



And Mr McGuinty is suggesting Flaherty be finance minister because he understands the "fiscal imbalance" currently being suffered by Ontario!

WOW ... and the provincial Liberals used to NAIL Flaherty at EVERY chance they got.

Times, they are a changin.


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quote:
Originally posted by Krago:
Why not Stockwell Day for Speaker? He's bilingual (I think)

He's not. Moreover, the speaker needs to have the respect of the house.

Rick Mercer put it well this week when he said he could easily name 10 qualified to be in cabinet, but unfortunately you need 25.


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For the best-informed speculation, read Embassymag:
quote:
The West wants in and that includes a say in foreign affairs. On the other hand, if Mr. Harper looks to Ontario or Quebec for a foreign affairs minister, that boosts the chances of a westerner, say Ted Menzies from Alberta, getting the International trade portfolio.

Who will get the Foreign Affairs job? Will Stockwell Day get the job? Mr. Day, as a former party leader and his party’s foreign affairs critic since Harper took over the leadership, has worked hard to build up credibility, but he would be a favourite media target because of his past. Comedian and political satirist Rick Mercer emphasized this point on CBC Monday night by saying Mr. Day wouldn’t get the job “mainly because I am just not that lucky.”


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Based partly on Don Newman's Politics panel yesterday, my current predictions; 34 plus Harper:

BC 5:
Jay Hill
Stockwell Day
Gary Lunn
James Moore
Betty Hinton

Alberta 5:
Monte Solberg
James Rajotte
Diane Ablonczy
Rona Ambrose
James Kenney or Jim Prentice

Saskatchewan 2:
Carol Skelton
Gerry Ritz

Manitoba 2:
Vic Toews
Steven Fletcher

Ontario 10:
Bev Oda
Gordon O'Connor
Peter Van Loan
Diane Finley
Rob Nicholson
Scott Reid
Garth Turner
Jim Flaherty
John Baird
Tony Clement

Quebec 7:
Pierre-Claude Nolin, Government Leader in the Senate.
Lawrence Cannon
Josée Verner
Maxime Bernier
Jean-Pierre Blackburn
Stephen Blaney
Christian Paradis

New Brunswick:
Greg Thompson

Nova Scotia:
Peter MacKay

Newfoundland & Labrador:
Loyola Hearn

To all these people who say the cabinet will be only 28: who can he leave out?

Who is Pierre Claude Nolin?

Senator Pierre Claude Nolin was first appointed to the Senate by Prime Minister Mulroney on June 18, 1993, at age 42, youngest to occupy such a position. A lawyer since 1977, he has worked for several law firms. Born in Montreal, Senator Nolin is the son of the Honourable Jean Claude Nolin, Judge, Quebec Superior Court, and Jacqueline Quevillon.

He was an organizer for Joe Clark (1979) and Brian Mulroney (1984). He was chief of staff for the Minister of Public Works from 1984 to 1986. He was subsequently named to the position of special assistant to Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, his chief organizer for Quebec. He left the federal government to assume the position of Director General of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. He was an organizer for Jean Charest (1995), and served as Co-Chair of the PC 1997 Electoral Campaign.


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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
To all these people who say the cabinet will be only 28: who can he leave out?

To answer your question (without getting down to 28, and without naming names), he can leave out:

At least one from Alberta (in addition to your "either or" choice). Alberta might want in, but 6 Ministers including Harper is just too many. The Alberta MPs have got to know already that most won't have a chance.

There's also room to knock two or three off between Ontario and Quebec.

The trick will, in part, have been to not have started with a list and whittled down, but instead to have started with X blank spots in a province. It's easier to answer "which 4 of these 28 get in?" than to answer "which 1 of these 5 (or 6) gets cut out?".


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quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
[QB]Based partly on Don Newman's Politics panel yesterday, my current predictions; 34 plus Harper:

BC 5:
Jay Hill
Stockwell Day
Gary Lunn
James Moore
Betty Hinton

Alberta 5:
Monte Solberg
James Rajotte
Diane Ablonczy
Rona Ambrose
James Kenney or Jim Prentice

Saskatchewan 2:
Carol Skelton
Gerry Ritz

Manitoba 2:
Vic Toews
Steven Fletcher

Ontario 10:
Bev Oda
Gordon O'Connor
Peter Van Loan
Diane Finley
Rob Nicholson
Scott Reid
Garth Turner
Jim Flaherty
John Baird
Tony Clement

Quebec 7:
Pierre-Claude Nolin, Government Leader in the Senate.
Lawrence Cannon
Josée Verner
Maxime Bernier
Jean-Pierre Blackburn
Stephen Blaney
Christian Paradis

New Brunswick:
Greg Thompson

Nova Scotia:
Peter MacKay

Newfoundland & Labrador:
Loyola Hearn

To all these people who say the cabinet will be only 28: who can he leave out?

/QB]


Might be able to leave out one or two of the MPs from Quebec. Even though they are friends Scott Reid might not make the cut, and same might happen for Peter Van Loan. James Rajotte might not be in Cabinet this time around. I would think Jim Prentice is almost guranteed a spot. A Progressive Conservative from Alberta, and also I would assume the front runner to be the next Minister for Indian and Northern Affairs. Also Gary Lunn or James Moore. Now I would say both are likely in but could be possibly cuts.


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Sounds like Jason Kenney's in.

Tories play cabinet cards close to the chest:

quote:
“If we happen to read in the papers that you're discussing a cabinet position with Mr. Harper, that's the end of the discussion,” is how one Tory official characterized the message.

“I've succeeded in saying nothing all day so I'm not about to start now,” Jason Kenney said in an interview Sunday evening.

“I just don't like trying to do interviews where I can't say anything.”


All day? Jason, something happened today? Like a phone call from Stephen Harper?
It was the kind of faux cloak-and-dagger moment that only happens on Parliament Hill: an unwitting cabinet hopeful bumping into a journalist while trudging back from a weekend vetting session with the team managing the Conservatives' transition to power. "You didn't see me here, I'm not here," said the surprised Tory MP, who looked around and insisted he not be identified in any article.


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Radio-Canada a toutefois appris que Lawrence Cannon sera vice-premier ministre et que Josée Verner sera responsable de la Francophonie.

link


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According to Globe speculation, Harper sez "I don't need no stinkin' deputy".

Harper probably promised Peter MacKay that no one but Peter would ever be Harper's deputy PM. (Mackay should have gotten in it writing along with his 30 pieces since no self respecting political leader would brazenly abrogate a written commitment.)

quote:
Mr. MacKay, the Nova Scotia MP and co-founder of the Conservative Party who was left out of Mr. Harper's inner circle despite being deputy leader of the Opposition, will not hold on to the number two job, but nor will anyone be appointed, said party insiders.

It's also believed the cabinet will be one of the most compact in recent memory.

"It's going to be a leaner, more focused cabinet than I think Canadians have seen in some time," said a Tory insider.There are expected to be only three members from Atlantic Canada. Some departments will be combined, the source said.


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~25 ministers.
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Minimum 28 + Harper, with only 8 from Ontario, which seems low, so 30 + Harper, with 10 from Ontario. This leave the West with 10, Ontario with 10, Quebec 5, Atlantic Canada 3. But really Quebec should be 7: 32 + Harper. That would be proportionate to Ontario. Less than 7 says that his Quebec MPs are unfit.

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This could be the most right wing federal cabinet in our history, and makes me think of the following hypothetical: Harpoon and his advisors are being smart - get a right wing cabinet sworn in, keep them 'moderate' so far as he can, and then in the next election, when the country is used to their faces and feel they've done a reasonably good job of governing, run for a majority, and then, having won a majority, show their true extreme neocon colours after being sworn in. And, if in this minority situation, the Opposition tries to keep them on a short leash, then Harpoon can publicly complain the Opposition is being 'obstructionist' and thereby gain the public's sympathy. Harpoon is in a good position.

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Deputy PM is a useless, meaningless post with no defined duties or role. If Harper is indeed eliminating it, I consider that a good move that I hope future PMs will continue.
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True, if I remember correctly it didn't even exist until Trudeau, and Clark tried to break the precedence immediately.
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Great, two buffoons foisted on Ontario. Harris cronies at that. Thanks for the memories (they sear into my mind)
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Interesting: DAVID EMERSON, Liberal, just walked into Rideau Hall.
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The Globe is reporting that he has pulled a Belinda and will be in the Tory Cabinet as Industry Minister. If true, this now gives the NDP the balance of power. Wow.
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The Globe is reporting that he has pulled a Belinda and will be in the Tory Cabinet as Industry Minister.

At least Belinda waited something longer than TWO WEEKS AFTER RUNNING AND WINNING UNDER ANOTHER PARTY'S BANNER.

Holy shitte.


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It doesn't do anything of the kind.

It gives the NDP the power to sustain them in the unlikely event the Liberals and the Bloc both want to take them down - which they don't.

The BQ would have to be suicidal to take down the government.

Anyone expecting any power for the NDP is in for a sad surprise.


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This is the list CBC just posted:

quote:
* Jim Flaherty - Finance
* Bev Oda - Heritage
* Peter MacKay - Foreign Affairs
* Chuck Strahl - Agriculture
* Rona Ambrose - Environment
* Jim Prentice - Indian Affairs
* Vic Toews - Justice
* Tony Clement - Health
* Gordon O'Connor - National Defence
* Loyola Hearn - Fisheries
* David Emerson - International Trade
* Tony Clement - Health
* Maxime Bernier - Industry
* Monte Solberg - Citizenship and Immigration
* John Baird - Treasury Board
* Rob Nicholson - Democratic Reform

you can't make this stuff up. CBC trying to warn us of what is to come. Ontario REMEMBER!

CBC Article here

They may change this error later.


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Another shocker: only six women in Cabinet, and Diane Ablonsky (sp?) is not one of them. I'll have to verify this later, they're still swearing in.
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Its getting really easy to paint the cons and Libs as the same thing now, ministers float back and forth, MPs cross the floor, etc.

The cabinet of Canada has become a revolving door between the Libs and the Cons. They should have a same-ideological marriage (legal now) and just get married already.

Anyway Wilfred I was too low at about 25. But your guess was 34 wasn't it?

Fortier is really odd. Has this happened before? How can you hold a minster responsible if he is not in the House to answer questions? Doesn't this break with ministerial accountability precedents, i.e, isn't this illegal? Will he need to be appointed ot the Senate or need to run in a by-election?

Although I will say (easily now, in hind-sight) putting someone from Quebec into HRDC was a no brainer and necessary.

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Stockwell Day : Public Safety.

Do you feel safe today?


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Is Her Excellency laughing with or at him?

Only time will tell.


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Well, seeing as she's had that big ass smile on the whole time I'd say it's her default public face.
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It gives the NDP the power to sustain them in the unlikely event the Liberals and the Bloc both want to take them down - which they don't.

The BQ would have to be suicidal to take down the government.

Anyone expecting any power for the NDP is in for a sad surprise.


For the hundred millionth time....this is not about government survival, this is about getting legislation passed. The opposition parties can vote down any and all government bills WITHOUT forcing an election, unless it is a budget bill. There could be all kinds of non-budget bills that the Tories may want to get through and where the NDP could hold out for various chnages and amendments and quid pro quos in exchange for support.


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This is the list CBC just posted:

you can't make this stuff up. CBC trying to warn us of what is to come. Ontario REMEMBER!

They may change this error later.


Gee, Hawkins, for one wild wonderful moment I thought you meant that they might get Tony right out of the cabinet.


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Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with balance of power.

And it's much easier for them to get support from the parties that are more closely aligned to them and who desperately don't want an election than the one they are furthest from.

I'm not buying into the fantasy.


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Gee, Hawkins, for one wild wonderful moment I thought you meant that they might get Tony right out of the cabinet.


That is our job .


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JESUS CHRIST. www.pm.gc.ca
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JESUS CHRIST. www.pm.gc.ca

YAAAAY!


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Cue the evil organ music! Since when did blue become a color of Canada?

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Michael Watkins
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posted 06 February 2006 12:52 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
PDF list of the cabinet:
http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/docs/cabinet.pdf

edit: Hmmnn, well the got Harper's picture up there but apparently not the document. Scandal! Off with their heads!

Web page with bios. The web squirrels are still working on the pics.
http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/cabinet.asp

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Stargazer
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posted 06 February 2006 12:55 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Glad you find the dissolution of Canada fine Heywood.

Jesus, I'll never figure out what makes people so hateful they vote for this party (and don't give me the fiscal crap - you know it's a lie)

FUCK!!!! Tony Clement and and Jim asshat! Ontario does remember. This hopefully means we kick these creeps out sooner rather than later. Tony fucking Clement!


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obscurantist
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posted 06 February 2006 12:58 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by spatrioter:
JESUS CHRIST. www.pm.gc.ca

Nah. Jesus Christ as PM? He wouldn't last ten minutes after announcing a cabinet with only twelve people in it. (Well, thirteen including Himself.)

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TeamNeedles
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Does anybody else see the picture from the PM website and get the Empire music from Star Wars stuck in their head?
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Surprise! Cabinet includes defector and unelected minister
quote:
Michael Fortier, an unelected party operative, is minister of public works and government services.

Fortier, a Montreal lawyer, was an also-ran in the 1998 Progressive Conservative leadership contest and ran unsuccessfully for Parliament in 2000.

He was co-chair of this year's national Conservative election campaign and a Quebec political adviser to Harper.

The prime minister can appoint anyone he likes to the cabinet, but tradition calls for an unelected minister to seek a seat within a reasonable time in a by-election.



CBC

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West Coast Greeny
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quote:
Originally posted by obscurantist:

Nah. Jesus Christ as PM? He wouldn't last ten minutes after announcing a cabinet with only twelve people in it. (Well, thirteen including Himself.)

[ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: obscurantist ]


Didn't one of them cross the floor and took down Jesus or something?


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pookie
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Am I correct that Jason Frum, er Kenney, didn't make it? That would be one small mercy, anyway.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 06 February 2006 01:03 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So, Harper found a turncoat from Vancouver and an unelected hack from Montreal to appoint to cabinet. He still couldn't find anyone from Toronto?
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Albireo
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Maybe he could get Maria Minna. I've read somewhere recently that she is the best.
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sgm
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Originally posted by Hawkins:
Stockwell Day : Public Safety.

Do you feel safe today?


Safer than at any time in the earth's 6,000 year history.


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HeywoodFloyd
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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
Glad you find the dissolution of Canada fine Heywood.

[qlib]
Oh I do. I'm looking forward to the following countries being created:

1. Atlantica (all Maritime provinces except NFLD-LBDR)
2. Pacifica (former province of BC excluding the SE corner of BC)
3. The Republic of Alberta-Saskatchewan.
4. Quebec
5. Canada (formerly Manitoba and Ontario)
6. Newfoundland is a wild card. They may either return to Great Britain or join Quebec as an indepentant principality.

[/glib]


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quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
Maybe he could get Maria Minna. I've read somewhere recently that she is the best.

Yeah, she could bravely fight against cuts to social programs... and then vote for them.


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quote:
Originally posted by sgm:
Safer than at any time in the earth's 6,000 year history.
Well, at least we aren't getting stepped on and squished by Apatosauruses any more.

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The prime minister can appoint anyone he likes to the cabinet, but tradition calls for an unelected minister to seek a seat within a reasonable time in a by-election.

The Wikipedia article on Fortier claimed at one point that Harper would be appointing Fortier to the Senate. I haven't seen any verifiable source to confirm this, but if so, it would be a second betrayal of Conservative principles with Harper's government just one day old!


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cottonwood
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quote:
Originally posted by robbie_dee:

The Wikipedia article on Fortier claimed at one point that Harper would be appointing Fortier to the Senate. I haven't seen any verifiable source to confirm this, but if so, it would be a second betrayal of Conservative principles with Harper's government just one day old!


CBC just reported that Fortier would be appointed to the Senate.


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Fortier will be appointed to the Senate on the condition that he step down for the next election to run for a seat in the House of Commons.

Toronto Star

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Reality. Bites.
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posted 06 February 2006 01:31 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
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Fortier will be appointed to the Senate on the condition that he step down for the next election to run for a seat in the House of Commons.

These guys out-do the Liberals for arrogance and corruption on their first day.

Ah well. Their apologists here are used to defending bigotry. Adding arrogance and corruption to the list should be great preparation for when they have to start defending criminal activities too, which should take a couple of months.


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What I found quite interesting was the balance in Cabinet between old Reform/CA-types and former Progressive Conservatives:

Old Reform/CA

    Stephen Harper - Prime Minister
    Stockwell Day - Minister of Public Safety
    Gary Lunn - Minister of Natural Resources
    Carol Skelton - Minister of National Revenue and Minister of Western Economic Diversification
    Monte Solberg - Minister of Citizenship and Immigration
    Chuck Strahl - Minister of Agriculture (though Chuck was Deputy Leader of the Progressive Conservative Democratic Representative Caucus for a few months - Gary Lunn was another PCDRCer)
    Vic Toews - Minister of Justice

Old P.C.

    Jean-Pierre Blackburn - Minister of Labour and Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec
    Michael Chong - President of the Queen's Privy Council and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister for Sport
    Michael Fortier - Minister of Public Works and Government Services
    Loyola Hearn - Minister of Fisheries and Oceans
    Marjory LeBreton - Leader of the Government in the Senate
    Peter MacKay - Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Rob Nicholson - House Leader
    Jim Prentice - Minister of Indian Affairs
    Greg Thompson - Minister of Veterans Affairs

Old Liberals

    Lawrence Cannon - Minister of Transport
    David Emerson - Minister International Trade

Newbies

    Rona Ambrose - Minister of Environment
    John Baird - President of the Treasury Board
    Maxime Bernier - Minister of Industry
    Tony Clement - Health
    Diane Finley - Minister of Human Resources and Social Development
    Jim Flaherty - Minister of Finance
    Gordon O'Connor - Minister of Defence
    Bev Oda - Minister of Canadian Heritage and Status of Women
    Josée Verner - Minister of International Co-operation and Minister for La Francophonie and Official Languages

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Michael Watkins
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posted 06 February 2006 01:35 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm surprised that Harpers' chief of staff hasn't already invited Dosanjh to cross the floor "we'll roll out the comfy fur mat for ya Ujjal".
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Is an elected Senate still part of their party policy? Or did that die with the merger?
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Kevin
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posted 06 February 2006 01:39 PM      Profile for Kevin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by spatrioter:
Is an elected Senate still part of their party policy? Or did that die with the merger?

It died with the appointment of party hack Fortier.


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Michael Watkins
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posted 06 February 2006 01:40 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by spatrioter:
Is an elected Senate still part of their party policy? Or did that die with the merger?

March 2005 policy declaration: Elected and Equal (distribution of senators by population/region) senate. If a province or territory choses a senator by election, a CPC govt will fill vacancies for that position from among those elected person(s).


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