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stupendousgirlie
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posted 08 January 2006 10:51 AM
On another thread, I speculated that if the CPC wins a minority, a lot of high profile CPC MP's are going to be disappointed because their extremist views would be a liability and the party would want them either on the back bench or in charge of something obscure and non-threatening. The reason for this is because IF IF IF the CPC wins a minority, they will be looking squarely at positioning themselves to win a majority a year or so down the road.With this in mind, here is my prediction of who will be disappointed and what their ministerial positions might be should the CPC win... Rob Anders - Minister of Paper Clips and Envelopes Stockwell Day - Minister of Toilet Paper Jason Kenney - Minister of Chicken Wings and Timbits Cheryl Gallant - Minister of Snow Removal Myron Thompson - Minister of Cowboy Boots, Bad Hats and Western Shirts Feel free to add your own...
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posted 08 January 2006 07:34 PM
Certainly Ambrose is shoo-in.Unfortunately so is Toews in justice.
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posted 16 January 2006 08:20 AM
According to this article from Canwest news it looks like Harper's getting set to screw over the west. quote: A number of longtime Conservative members of Parliament from Western Canada could find themselves left out of plum cabinet postings in a government led by Stephen Harper, Tory insiders say.Ontario and Quebec MPs are certain to have top billing in a Conservative government, both because of the pedigree of those running for office and because of the need for the Tories to continue to build on gains they may make in Eastern Canada. MacKay, a former Crown prosecutor, could be headed for the justice portfolio, both because of his experience with the issues and because he is viewed as a moderate who could easily parry opposition charges the Tories would run roughshod over individual rights. Justice critic Vic Toews, from Manitoba, is viewed as a risk because of his gay marriage stance, but will be the senior minister for the province. Alberta, which will be again go overwhelmingly Conservative, will be well represented, but the Tory leader will also have tough choices to make. Diane Ablonczy is a top choice for tackling wait-times as health minister; Ted Menzies, former president of the Canadian Agri-Food Trade Alliance, could get the all-important international trade file to tackle softwood lumber; Monte Solberg is expected to stay on as finance minister and Jim Prentice should take a more pressing file than his current aboriginal affairs portfolio, with some suggesting environment minister. But some Alberta MPs could be left off the front bench including Edmonton's James Rajotte and Rahim Jaffer; Calgary's Lee Richardson and Red Deer's Bob Mills. In British Columbia, reliable Conservative MPs such as Gary Lunn and James Moore could take smaller roles in a Tory government despite their effectiveness in opposition. Instead, B.C. is guaranteed to see former Canadian Alliance leader Stockwell Day in cabinet, but possibly not in the foreign affairs role. Some observers note that he has successfully walked the delicate line on Middle East politics as a critic, and visited many of the international hotspots, but could be vulnerable because his personal views, particularly on the Mideast, are to the right of Harper's merged Conservatives.
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Wilf Day
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posted 16 January 2006 10:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Contrarian in another thread: Monte Solberg: Finance, maybe; and in general Diane Ablonczy, Rona Ambrose. I forget what other names, probably Jim Prentice (and Wilf, he's one of the more moderate ones and probably should not be left out)
Yes, but that was the point of my cabinet-making exercise: too many Albertans. In a cabinet of 37, the cabinet is about 12% of the province's MPs. That's not a rule, but a fact of life. Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Newfoundland each rate 1. Quebec would rate 9, if they had them. Ontario 13. Manitoba and Saskatchewan 2 each. Alberta 3.36, but given the circumstances, 4, plus Harper. BC 4.32, 4 or 5. His 5 Alberta front-benchers in the last House were Monte Solberg, Rona Ambrose, James Rajotte, Diane Ablonczy, and Bob Mills. I've left out Bob Mills already to get it down to four. Who would Jim Prentice bump? Does Harper want Jim Prentice that badly? And what about Jason Kenney? For convenience, here's my list again (sorry). I see speculation that his cabinet will be fewer than 37, perhaps as small as 25. A slimmer cabinet is good with a new government, giving you room to add unknown newcomers, but I make it 32 plus Harper. Harper's cabinet presumptive, using their former critic titles, is: Peter MacKay: Deputy Leader, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Jay Hill: House Leader Monte Solberg: Finance Vic Toews: Justice and Attorney General of Canada Rona Ambrose: Intergovernmental Affairs Stockwell Day: Foreign Affairs Rob Nicholson: Transport Diane Finley: Agriculture and Agri-Food Gordon O'Connor: National Defence Betty Hinton: Veterans Affairs Guy Lauzon: Treasury Board, Official Languages Loyola Hearn: Fisheries and Oceans Diane Ablonczy: Citizenship and Immigration John Duncan: Natural Resources, if re-elected, otherwise Gary Lunn Bev Oda: Canadian Heritage Lynne Yelich: Status of Women, Families and Caregivers Peter Van Loan: Human Resources and Skills Development James Moore: Public Works and Government Services, Sport Steven Fletcher: Health Carol Skelton (if re-elected): Social Development, Public Health James Rajotte: Industry Greg Thompson: Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency Scott Reid: Democratic Reform Dave Mackenzie: Associate Minister of Defence Helena Guergis: International Cooperation (She came into shadow cabinet to replace Belinda Stronach) Pierre-Claude Nolin: government leader in the Senate. To be elected: Josée Verner Lawrence Cannon Maxime Bernier Jim Flaherty Tony Clement John Baird Available potfolios: Environment Indian Affairs and Northern Development National Revenue Labour Housing Western Economic Diversification Multiculturalism International Trade Infrastructure and Communities Canadian Wheat Board. Left out for reason of too many Albertans: Jim Prentice, now Indian Affairs and Northern Development critic Deepak Obhrai, now Multiculturalism critic Jason Kenney, now Deputy House Leader Bob Mills, Environment critic Ted Menzies, International Trade critic Rahim Jaffer, Infrastructure and Communities critic Not in cabinet: Brian Pallister, now National Revenue critic Merv Tweed, now Western Economic Diversification critic David Anderson, now Canadian Wheat Board critic Ed Komarnicki Labour and Housing Norm Doyle, now (and future?) Caucus Chair That makes 12 of the 33 from Ontario. If John Capobianco gets elected, they'll squeeze him in. Only 4 from Quebec, so if someone else gets elected they'll have a fine shot. Of the 33, 9 are women, 27%, a lot better than their caucus. [ 16 January 2006: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]
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Michael Watkins
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posted 16 January 2006 11:35 AM
Solberg will not be, had better not be, Finance Minister.Harper will have to ask his favorite supporters (Solberg is one) to take one for the team if they don't have the experience. Solberg has never even run a business of any significance; he'll be laughed at as Finance minister. Prentice I still think will see a cabinet post. He has a lot of support from caucus despite his progressive stand on many issues... because he is a good, smart, person. He's had a lot of profile in the campaign and before, across the country. I find it hard to believe that Prentice will be sidelined. Its possible, however. Harper may view Prentice as a longer term threat (leadership), but usually you want your enemies close at hand than off in the wilderness plotting thus I don't think he will be put in the back benches.
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posted 18 January 2006 04:05 AM
Here's a wild stab. It assumes a Con minority with NDP balance of power. The NDP get 6-7 cabinet posts. I still haven't counted the Liberals out personally. I think the polling numbers right now are really erratic and it will come down to who holds Ontario.Cabinet: Diane Ablonczy or Peter McKay- Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness John Baird- Minister of Finance Vic Toews or Rob Nicholson- Minister of Transport Diane Ablonczy- President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs Linda Duncan or Jim Prentice- Minister of the Environment Monte Solberg- Minister of Foreign Affairs Jim Prentice or James Moore- Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Federal Interlocutor for Métis and Non-Status Indians Lawrence Cannon- Minister of International Trade Steven Fletcher- Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, Minister of State (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario) Stockwell Day or Gordon O’Connor- Minister of National Defence Gordon O’Connor or Betty Hinton- Minister of Veterans Affairs Bill Blaikie- President of the Treasury Board, Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board, President of the Treasury Board Loyola Hearn- Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Jay Hill- House Leader Alexa McDonough or Stockwell Day- Minister of International Cooperation Peter McKay or Vic Toews- Minister of Justice, Attorney General of Canada John Duncan- Minister of Natural Resources Bev Oda- Minister of Canadian Heritage, Minister responsible for Status of Women Libby Davies- Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Scott Reid or Alexa McDonough- Minister of Labour and Housing Carol Skelton- Minister of Public Works and Government Services Jack Layton- Minister of Health Rona Ambrose- Minister of Social Development Peter Van Loan- Minister of Industry Yvon Godin- Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development, Minister responsible for Democratic Renewal Minister of State (Northern Development) Nina Grewal or Rahim Jaffer - Minister of State (Multiculturalism) John Capobianco or David Sweet- Minister of State (Human Resources Development) Maxime Bernier -Minister of National Revenue Jason Kenney or Jean Crowder- Minister of Western Economic Diversification, Minister of State (Sport) George Thompson, Minister of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency Jason Kenney or Gary Lunn, Deputy House Leader, Minister responsible for Official Languages, Associate Minister of National Defence, Minister for Internal Trade Helena Guergis- Minister of State (Public Health) Josée Verner- Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec, Minister responsible for the Francophonie Gerald Keddy or Lois Brown- Minister of State (Infrastructure and Communities) Lynne Yelich- Minister of State (Families and Caregivers)
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posted 19 January 2006 07:59 AM
Brian Mulroney - minister of finance for robber baronsMike Harris - minister of privatization for Multinationals
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Wilf Day
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posted 24 January 2006 01:17 PM
Current propects, using their former critic titles:Peter MacKay: Deputy Leader, Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Jay Hill: House Leader Monte Solberg: Finance Vic Toews: Justice and Attorney General of Canada Rona Ambrose: Intergovernmental Affairs Stockwell Day: Foreign Affairs Rob Nicholson: Transport Diane Finley: Agriculture and Agri-Food Gordon O'Connor: National Defence Betty Hinton: Veterans Affairs Guy Lauzon: Treasury Board, Official Languages Loyola Hearn: Fisheries and Oceans Diane Ablonczy: Citizenship and Immigration Gary Lunn: Social Development Bev Oda: Canadian Heritage Jim Prentice: Indian Affairs and Northern Development Lynne Yelich: Status of Women, Families and Caregivers Peter Van Loan: Human Resources and Skills Development James Moore: Public Works and Government Services, Sport Steven Fletcher: Health Carol Skelton: Public Health James Rajotte: Industry Greg Thompson: Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency Scott Reid: Democratic Reform Dave Mackenzie: Associate Minister of Defence Helena Guergis: International Cooperation (She came into shadow cabinet to replace Belinda Stronach) Pierre-Claude Nolin: government leader in the Senate. Newly elected: Jim Flaherty John Baird Tony Clement (if his 21-vote margin survives) Lawrence Cannon Josée Verner Maxime Bernier Jean-Pierre Blackburn Stephen Blaney Christian Paradis Two more from Quebec: Sylvie Boucher? Luc Harvey? Daniel Petit? Jacques Gourde? That's 38, plus Harper. Too big.
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posted 24 January 2006 02:12 PM
I wonder who will be the Ambasador to the United States. WIll it be someone who will speak for Canada's interests or someone who will be sent to pay homage?A few have mentioned Stockwell Day having foreign affairs aspirations. In these times it would be beneficial to have someone who has traveled and lived outside the country and has a little more exposure to other cultures than those of Red Deer and the Okanagan.
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Wilf Day
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posted 25 January 2006 02:54 AM
Alberta's Jason Kenney, who has been one of Harper's close supporters, will also draw a senior economic portfolio, such as president of Treasury Board. But the article leaves out several other Albertans like James Rajotte and Jim Prentice, naming only Monte Solberg, Rona Ambrose, and Diane Ablonczy. quote: Originally posted by John_D: I'd assume whichever of the top five Alberta MPs gets left out of cabinet would be offered the Speaker's chair.
He is thought to prefer a smaller cabinet of perhaps about 28 people. That would solve his Quebec problem; Quebec's share of 28 is 7: the six MPs generally mentioned, plus Senator Nolin.But then the rest should be: Nfld 1 NS 1 NB 1 Ont. 9 or 10 Man. 1 Sask. 1 Alberta 3 (not 4) BC 3 or 4 Too many Albertans. Just Monte Solberg, Rona Ambrose, and Diane Ablonczy? No Jason Kenney, James Rajotte or Jim Prentice? [ 25 January 2006: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]
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Wilf Day
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posted 25 January 2006 10:28 PM
I just heard Lee Richardson on Don Newman's Politics. On Mulroney's transition team in 1983-4, elected in 1988 as a PC, and not again until 2004. But he was in the third row, not in the shadow cabinet, and I'd forgotten him. Why did they spurn his experience, when he understands, as he says, the discipline of power? quote: Originally posted by John_D: if the winner is a Tory, he'll get into Cabinet.
Creative thinking. But the Leader of the Government in the Senate is always in cabinet, and that would be Senator Nolin. When the new Senator from PEI arrives, he could hardly become Senate Leader right away. Two Senators? One being elected? Maybe.[ 25 January 2006: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]
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posted 02 February 2006 02:24 AM
Here's my stab at the Harper Cabinet:Prime Minister: Stephen Harper Deputy PM / Industry: Lawrence Cannon House Leader: Jay Hill Senate Leader: Pierre-Claude Nolin Finance: Monte Solberg Defence: Stockwell Day Transport: Rob Nicholson Foreign Affairs: Diane Ablonczy Justice: Peter MacKay Health: Stephen Fletcher Intergovernmental Affairs: Tony Clement Treasury Board: Jim Flaherty Social Development: Rona Ambrose Human Resources: Josee Verner International Trade: Garth Turner Canadian Heritage: Bev Oda Indian Affairs: Jim Prentice Natural Resources: Lynne Yelich Public Works: John Baird Agriculture: Diane Finley Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness: Vic Toews Fisheries and Oceans: Loyola Hearn Immigration: James Moore Environment: Bob Mills Western Economic Development: Carol Skelton ACOA: Greg Thompson Veterans' Affairs: Gordon O'Connor National Revenue: Maxime Bernier Labour and Housing: Peter Van Loan International Cooperation: Helena Guergis Ministers of State: Federal Economic Development for Quebec: Jean-Pierre Blackburn Infrastructure and Communities: Bev Shipley ETA: I disagree with you, Wilf, that each province's 'share' of the Cabinet seats should be based purely on population. Surely the percentage of caucus coming from a particular province must play a role. It seems absurd to me that Alberta would have 3X the representation in the Conservative caucus versus Quebec, but only half the number of ministers from Quebec (ie 3 ministers out of 28 versus 7 out of 10). Granted, Quebec is a special case and Harper will want to be seen as giving Quebec it's due, but I think 4 or 5 ministers from Quebec is about the maximum that's realistic. I'd expect to see Alberta with at least 5 seats at the table (including Harper). [ 02 February 2006: Message edited by: ghoris ] [ 02 February 2006: Message edited by: ghoris ]
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posted 02 February 2006 02:29 AM
Flaherty may very well get Finance over Solberg.Wasn't he the "fudge it budget" guy under Ernie Eves, who produced fictional balanced budgets that turned into multi-billion dollar deficits? Sounds perfectly qualified to be a Conservative Finance Minister.
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posted 02 February 2006 03:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by Wilf Day:John Reynolds, if he wants it. Or whatever else he wants, within reason. Although, without him running, the Conservatives lost West Van to a Liberal. Will that be blamed on Reynolds?
No, I think that'll be blamed on John Weston, who failed in his attempt to hold the seat for the Conservative. His campaign had a few gaffes, and he was continiously highlighted as a social conservative with ties to the Chrstian right in the local media. Oh, and he was continiously highlighted as someone who first nations in the province urged the residents of the riding not to elect due to his position on the fisheries issue. [ 02 February 2006: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]
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posted 02 February 2006 03:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by ghoris: Here's my stab at the Harper Cabinet:
Very interesting, and generally plausible. quote: Originally posted by ghoris: Prime Minister: Stephen Harper Finance: Monte Solberg Foreign Affairs: Diane Ablonczy Social Development: Rona Ambrose Indian Affairs: Jim Prentice Environment: Bob Mills I'd expect to see Alberta with at least 5 seats at the table (including Harper).
You have six, including Harper, but only three from BC. Not so plausible. quote: Originally posted by ghoris: Deputy PM / Industry: Lawrence Cannon Senate Leader: Pierre-Claude Nolin Human Resources: Josee Verner National Revenue: Maxime Bernier Federal Economic Development for Quebec: Jean-Pierre BlackburnI think 4 or 5 ministers from Quebec is about the maximum that's realistic.
Why? What's wrong with Christian Paradis and Stephen Blaney? They're far from "accidental MPs."And how will Dave Mackenzie feel, having a second-row critic post in the last House, being bumped by newbie Bev Shipley? [ 02 February 2006: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]
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posted 02 February 2006 08:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by Albireo: Flaherty may very well get Finance over Solberg.Wasn't he the "fudge it budget" guy under Ernie Eves, who produced fictional balanced budgets that turned into multi-billion dollar deficits? Sounds perfectly qualified to be a Conservative Finance Minister.
And Mr McGuinty is suggesting Flaherty be finance minister because he understands the "fiscal imbalance" currently being suffered by Ontario!
WOW ... and the provincial Liberals used to NAIL Flaherty at EVERY chance they got. Times, they are a changin.
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posted 02 February 2006 08:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Krago: Why not Stockwell Day for Speaker? He's bilingual (I think)
He's not. Moreover, the speaker needs to have the respect of the house. Rick Mercer put it well this week when he said he could easily name 10 qualified to be in cabinet, but unfortunately you need 25.
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posted 03 February 2006 05:01 AM
For the best-informed speculation, read Embassymag: quote: The West wants in and that includes a say in foreign affairs. On the other hand, if Mr. Harper looks to Ontario or Quebec for a foreign affairs minister, that boosts the chances of a westerner, say Ted Menzies from Alberta, getting the International trade portfolio.Who will get the Foreign Affairs job? Will Stockwell Day get the job? Mr. Day, as a former party leader and his party’s foreign affairs critic since Harper took over the leadership, has worked hard to build up credibility, but he would be a favourite media target because of his past. Comedian and political satirist Rick Mercer emphasized this point on CBC Monday night by saying Mr. Day wouldn’t get the job “mainly because I am just not that lucky.”
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posted 04 February 2006 06:18 PM
Based partly on Don Newman's Politics panel yesterday, my current predictions; 34 plus Harper:BC 5: Jay Hill Stockwell Day Gary Lunn James Moore Betty Hinton Alberta 5: Monte Solberg James Rajotte Diane Ablonczy Rona Ambrose James Kenney or Jim Prentice Saskatchewan 2: Carol Skelton Gerry Ritz Manitoba 2: Vic Toews Steven Fletcher Ontario 10: Bev Oda Gordon O'Connor Peter Van Loan Diane Finley Rob Nicholson Scott Reid Garth Turner Jim Flaherty John Baird Tony Clement Quebec 7: Pierre-Claude Nolin, Government Leader in the Senate. Lawrence Cannon Josée Verner Maxime Bernier Jean-Pierre Blackburn Stephen Blaney Christian Paradis New Brunswick: Greg Thompson Nova Scotia: Peter MacKay Newfoundland & Labrador: Loyola Hearn To all these people who say the cabinet will be only 28: who can he leave out? Who is Pierre Claude Nolin? Senator Pierre Claude Nolin was first appointed to the Senate by Prime Minister Mulroney on June 18, 1993, at age 42, youngest to occupy such a position. A lawyer since 1977, he has worked for several law firms. Born in Montreal, Senator Nolin is the son of the Honourable Jean Claude Nolin, Judge, Quebec Superior Court, and Jacqueline Quevillon. He was an organizer for Joe Clark (1979) and Brian Mulroney (1984). He was chief of staff for the Minister of Public Works from 1984 to 1986. He was subsequently named to the position of special assistant to Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, his chief organizer for Quebec. He left the federal government to assume the position of Director General of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. He was an organizer for Jean Charest (1995), and served as Co-Chair of the PC 1997 Electoral Campaign.
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posted 04 February 2006 07:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Wilf Day: To all these people who say the cabinet will be only 28: who can he leave out?
To answer your question (without getting down to 28, and without naming names), he can leave out: At least one from Alberta (in addition to your "either or" choice). Alberta might want in, but 6 Ministers including Harper is just too many. The Alberta MPs have got to know already that most won't have a chance. There's also room to knock two or three off between Ontario and Quebec. The trick will, in part, have been to not have started with a list and whittled down, but instead to have started with X blank spots in a province. It's easier to answer "which 4 of these 28 get in?" than to answer "which 1 of these 5 (or 6) gets cut out?".
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posted 04 February 2006 08:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by Wilf Day: [QB]Based partly on Don Newman's Politics panel yesterday, my current predictions; 34 plus Harper:BC 5: Jay Hill Stockwell Day Gary Lunn James Moore Betty Hinton Alberta 5: Monte Solberg James Rajotte Diane Ablonczy Rona Ambrose James Kenney or Jim Prentice Saskatchewan 2: Carol Skelton Gerry Ritz Manitoba 2: Vic Toews Steven Fletcher Ontario 10: Bev Oda Gordon O'Connor Peter Van Loan Diane Finley Rob Nicholson Scott Reid Garth Turner Jim Flaherty John Baird Tony Clement Quebec 7: Pierre-Claude Nolin, Government Leader in the Senate. Lawrence Cannon Josée Verner Maxime Bernier Jean-Pierre Blackburn Stephen Blaney Christian Paradis New Brunswick: Greg Thompson Nova Scotia: Peter MacKay Newfoundland & Labrador: Loyola Hearn To all these people who say the cabinet will be only 28: who can he leave out? /QB]
Might be able to leave out one or two of the MPs from Quebec. Even though they are friends Scott Reid might not make the cut, and same might happen for Peter Van Loan. James Rajotte might not be in Cabinet this time around. I would think Jim Prentice is almost guranteed a spot. A Progressive Conservative from Alberta, and also I would assume the front runner to be the next Minister for Indian and Northern Affairs. Also Gary Lunn or James Moore. Now I would say both are likely in but could be possibly cuts.
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posted 06 February 2006 03:34 AM
According to Globe speculation, Harper sez "I don't need no stinkin' deputy". Harper probably promised Peter MacKay that no one but Peter would ever be Harper's deputy PM. (Mackay should have gotten in it writing along with his 30 pieces since no self respecting political leader would brazenly abrogate a written commitment.) quote: Mr. MacKay, the Nova Scotia MP and co-founder of the Conservative Party who was left out of Mr. Harper's inner circle despite being deputy leader of the Opposition, will not hold on to the number two job, but nor will anyone be appointed, said party insiders.It's also believed the cabinet will be one of the most compact in recent memory. "It's going to be a leaner, more focused cabinet than I think Canadians have seen in some time," said a Tory insider.There are expected to be only three members from Atlantic Canada. Some departments will be combined, the source said.
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posted 06 February 2006 08:09 AM
This could be the most right wing federal cabinet in our history, and makes me think of the following hypothetical: Harpoon and his advisors are being smart - get a right wing cabinet sworn in, keep them 'moderate' so far as he can, and then in the next election, when the country is used to their faces and feel they've done a reasonably good job of governing, run for a majority, and then, having won a majority, show their true extreme neocon colours after being sworn in. And, if in this minority situation, the Opposition tries to keep them on a short leash, then Harpoon can publicly complain the Opposition is being 'obstructionist' and thereby gain the public's sympathy. Harpoon is in a good position.[ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]
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posted 06 February 2006 12:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Steve_Shutt: The Globe is reporting that he has pulled a Belinda and will be in the Tory Cabinet as Industry Minister.
At least Belinda waited something longer than TWO WEEKS AFTER RUNNING AND WINNING UNDER ANOTHER PARTY'S BANNER. Holy shitte.
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posted 06 February 2006 12:01 PM
It doesn't do anything of the kind.It gives the NDP the power to sustain them in the unlikely event the Liberals and the Bloc both want to take them down - which they don't. The BQ would have to be suicidal to take down the government. Anyone expecting any power for the NDP is in for a sad surprise.
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posted 06 February 2006 12:16 PM
This is the list CBC just posted: quote: * Jim Flaherty - Finance * Bev Oda - Heritage * Peter MacKay - Foreign Affairs * Chuck Strahl - Agriculture * Rona Ambrose - Environment * Jim Prentice - Indian Affairs * Vic Toews - Justice * Tony Clement - Health * Gordon O'Connor - National Defence * Loyola Hearn - Fisheries * David Emerson - International Trade * Tony Clement - Health * Maxime Bernier - Industry * Monte Solberg - Citizenship and Immigration * John Baird - Treasury Board * Rob Nicholson - Democratic Reform
you can't make this stuff up. CBC trying to warn us of what is to come. Ontario REMEMBER! CBC Article here They may change this error later.
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posted 06 February 2006 12:20 PM
Its getting really easy to paint the cons and Libs as the same thing now, ministers float back and forth, MPs cross the floor, etc.The cabinet of Canada has become a revolving door between the Libs and the Cons. They should have a same-ideological marriage (legal now) and just get married already. Anyway Wilfred I was too low at about 25. But your guess was 34 wasn't it? Fortier is really odd. Has this happened before? How can you hold a minster responsible if he is not in the House to answer questions? Doesn't this break with ministerial accountability precedents, i.e, isn't this illegal? Will he need to be appointed ot the Senate or need to run in a by-election? Although I will say (easily now, in hind-sight) putting someone from Quebec into HRDC was a no brainer and necessary. [ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: up ]
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posted 06 February 2006 12:28 PM
quote: It gives the NDP the power to sustain them in the unlikely event the Liberals and the Bloc both want to take them down - which they don't.The BQ would have to be suicidal to take down the government. Anyone expecting any power for the NDP is in for a sad surprise.
For the hundred millionth time....this is not about government survival, this is about getting legislation passed. The opposition parties can vote down any and all government bills WITHOUT forcing an election, unless it is a budget bill. There could be all kinds of non-budget bills that the Tories may want to get through and where the NDP could hold out for various chnages and amendments and quid pro quos in exchange for support.
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posted 06 February 2006 12:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hawkins: This is the list CBC just posted: you can't make this stuff up. CBC trying to warn us of what is to come. Ontario REMEMBER! They may change this error later.
Gee, Hawkins, for one wild wonderful moment I thought you meant that they might get Tony right out of the cabinet.
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posted 06 February 2006 12:32 PM
Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with balance of power.And it's much easier for them to get support from the parties that are more closely aligned to them and who desperately don't want an election than the one they are furthest from. I'm not buying into the fantasy.
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posted 06 February 2006 12:52 PM
PDF list of the cabinet: http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/docs/cabinet.pdfedit: Hmmnn, well the got Harper's picture up there but apparently not the document. Scandal! Off with their heads! Web page with bios. The web squirrels are still working on the pics. http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/cabinet.asp [ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: Michael Watkins ]
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posted 06 February 2006 12:55 PM
Glad you find the dissolution of Canada fine Heywood. Jesus, I'll never figure out what makes people so hateful they vote for this party (and don't give me the fiscal crap - you know it's a lie) FUCK!!!! Tony Clement and and Jim asshat! Ontario does remember. This hopefully means we kick these creeps out sooner rather than later. Tony fucking Clement!
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posted 06 February 2006 12:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by spatrioter: JESUS CHRIST. www.pm.gc.ca
Nah. Jesus Christ as PM? He wouldn't last ten minutes after announcing a cabinet with only twelve people in it. (Well, thirteen including Himself.) [ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: obscurantist ]
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posted 06 February 2006 01:00 PM
Surprise! Cabinet includes defector and unelected minister quote: Michael Fortier, an unelected party operative, is minister of public works and government services. Fortier, a Montreal lawyer, was an also-ran in the 1998 Progressive Conservative leadership contest and ran unsuccessfully for Parliament in 2000. He was co-chair of this year's national Conservative election campaign and a Quebec political adviser to Harper. The prime minister can appoint anyone he likes to the cabinet, but tradition calls for an unelected minister to seek a seat within a reasonable time in a by-election.
CBC[ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: spatrioter ]
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posted 06 February 2006 01:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by obscurantist:
Nah. Jesus Christ as PM? He wouldn't last ten minutes after announcing a cabinet with only twelve people in it. (Well, thirteen including Himself.) [ 06 February 2006: Message edited by: obscurantist ]
Didn't one of them cross the floor and took down Jesus or something?
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posted 06 February 2006 01:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hawkins: Stockwell Day : Public Safety. Do you feel safe today?
Safer than at any time in the earth's 6,000 year history.
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posted 06 February 2006 01:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stargazer: Glad you find the dissolution of Canada fine Heywood.
[qlib] Oh I do. I'm looking forward to the following countries being created: 1. Atlantica (all Maritime provinces except NFLD-LBDR) 2. Pacifica (former province of BC excluding the SE corner of BC) 3. The Republic of Alberta-Saskatchewan. 4. Quebec 5. Canada (formerly Manitoba and Ontario) 6. Newfoundland is a wild card. They may either return to Great Britain or join Quebec as an indepentant principality. [/glib]
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posted 06 February 2006 01:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by robbie_dee:
The Wikipedia article on Fortier claimed at one point that Harper would be appointing Fortier to the Senate. I haven't seen any verifiable source to confirm this, but if so, it would be a second betrayal of Conservative principles with Harper's government just one day old!
CBC just reported that Fortier would be appointed to the Senate.
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posted 06 February 2006 01:31 PM
quote: Fortier will be appointed to the Senate on the condition that he step down for the next election to run for a seat in the House of Commons.
These guys out-do the Liberals for arrogance and corruption on their first day. Ah well. Their apologists here are used to defending bigotry. Adding arrogance and corruption to the list should be great preparation for when they have to start defending criminal activities too, which should take a couple of months.
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posted 06 February 2006 01:34 PM
What I found quite interesting was the balance in Cabinet between old Reform/CA-types and former Progressive Conservatives:Old Reform/CA Stephen Harper - Prime Minister Stockwell Day - Minister of Public Safety Gary Lunn - Minister of Natural Resources Carol Skelton - Minister of National Revenue and Minister of Western Economic Diversification Monte Solberg - Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Chuck Strahl - Minister of Agriculture (though Chuck was Deputy Leader of the Progressive Conservative Democratic Representative Caucus for a few months - Gary Lunn was another PCDRCer) Vic Toews - Minister of Justice
Old P.C. Jean-Pierre Blackburn - Minister of Labour and Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec Michael Chong - President of the Queen's Privy Council and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister for Sport Michael Fortier - Minister of Public Works and Government Services Loyola Hearn - Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Marjory LeBreton - Leader of the Government in the Senate Peter MacKay - Minister of Foreign Affairs Rob Nicholson - House Leader Jim Prentice - Minister of Indian Affairs Greg Thompson - Minister of Veterans Affairs Old Liberals Lawrence Cannon - Minister of Transport David Emerson - Minister International Trade
Newbies Rona Ambrose - Minister of Environment John Baird - President of the Treasury Board Maxime Bernier - Minister of Industry Tony Clement - Health Diane Finley - Minister of Human Resources and Social Development Jim Flaherty - Minister of Finance Gordon O'Connor - Minister of Defence Bev Oda - Minister of Canadian Heritage and Status of Women Josée Verner - Minister of International Co-operation and Minister for La Francophonie and Official Languages
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