I thought they discovered it was a hoax years ago - but apparently, there's no way that could be...

What do you guys think about this? Are they real?? Are they a message?

They are also saying that Canadian circles are the most likely to have paranormal phenomena associated with them... anyone ever seen a real one?

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Originally posted by Storm Scryer:
...Crop Circles,...

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I think crop circles are great... they are appealing aesthetically , and a great way for people to express themselves artistically. Crop circles and snow/ice circles are a testement to human ingenuity, creativity, and show how adept humans are in interpreting their universe mathematically. Humans express themselves in so many ways.

Sometimes when I look at a bridge I wonder "Wow, how did they do that!", but I don't attribute extra-terrestrial involvment or paranormal influence in the design and construction of the bridge just because I don't understand how a bridge was built.

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Originally posted by TemporalHominid:

Sometimes when I look at a bridge I wonder "Wow, how did they do that!", but I don't ascribe extra-terrestrial involvment or paranormal influence in the design and construction of the bridge.

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and, not to be outdone, The Sky of Turin

It's like we know better, but there is a large group that doesn't want to know better. It's like we're giving a tacit nod to irrationality as acceptable and at the same time using it marginalize a segment of the population. Pretty bizarre behaviour.

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Originally posted by Surferosad:
Crop circles are way less complex than a bridge. And much easier to do.

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Originally posted by Fidel:

So it's Surfer who's been doing circles all over the world. We should have known. ha ha

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Yup, I did it. It was me.

I mean, you should believe me, Fidel! I don't really have any proof that I was the one who did it, but you can take my word for it. I mean, who needs evidence anyway! Just have faith in me! I'm sure that you can feel it within you. If you can't, I suggest you retire to a mountain top somewhere, fast and meditate on it. Everything will become quite clear then! And than you shall spread the good word!

It was I!

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Yup, I did it. It was me.

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It should be noted also that the node deformities are often found on still-standing stalks of crop inside a formation or around its perimeter, and are therefore not simply the result of mechanical flattening of the plants with boards or the plants bending at the nodes back up to the sun (phototropism, a natural response of flattened plants to start growing upwards back toward the sunlight and is often observed in formations or any region of flattened crop).

Another problem is that the crop circle "phenomena" has been taken as being an indication of extraterrestrial visits by the UFO crowd, amongst other things...

It is possible that some crop circles might have been formed by, I don't know, unusual weather patterns, or an unknown geophysical phenomenon. Maybe. But the fact that the crop circle subject is now filled with extraordinary claims that can't be proved makes it very hard to figure out if there is actually some reasonable explanation for some of them. That is, besides the hoax explanation, of course.

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It's second, no, third-hand info. Next! I like the plasma vortices theory myself.

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It should be pointed out that some hoaxers have managed to pull off some pretty impressive crop circles.

Check out this page (go to the exhibit A section):

http://www.circlemakers.org/

They show some very complex patterns, and they all have a human origin...

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Originally posted by Coyote:
Anyone notice the "Crop Cirle Tour of England" Google Ad?

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- If it is a hoax how do these formations form in the arctic, with no one for miles around, and no tracks in the snow to trace to a source?

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Are there pictures of these? I haven't heard of them before.

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There is a farmer in England that has had crop formations on his land many times and never seen anyone on his land or heard anything.

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He should invest in videocamera equipment.

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-Why is it so hard to believe that there is something we don't know about the earth?

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Why isn't the first assumption on seeing similar unusual phenomena, "Wow. Who made that?" Just because it's awe inducing doesn't mean it's not human related. Reminds me of the ruins of Zimbabwe-
"Many Europeans were unwilling to believe that sub-Saharan Africans could have built anything as grand as Zimbabwe; they theorized that ancient Phoenicians, Arabs, Romans, or Hebrews created the structures. British museum director Richard Hall destroyed portions of the site in an unsuccessful attempt to prove that it had been built by a foreign civilization."

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Originally posted by Coyote:
Look up to the ultimate top left (yours) of this page, beside the "babble" insignia.

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Originally posted by faith:

The two men who got national media attention in GB when they confessed to making crop circles were later found to be lying about it. The fact that they had fooled the international media was not front page news.

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It's like we know better, but there is a large group that doesn't want to know better. It's like we're giving a tacit nod to irrationality as acceptable

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Had crop or ice circles been made during the middle ages supersticious Europeans would have attributed copr/ice circles to Satan. Satan was blamed for a lot of events. Examples, the construction of Stonehenge, and Hadrian's wall between England and Scotland were attributed to Satan. Many people in the Middle Ages believed that the ancients could not possibly have accomplished such feats on their own. Today, Satan has been substituted by a current cultural patsy, aliens.

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Geoffrey of Monmouth wrote that the stones at Salisbury were originally brought from Africa to Ireland by giants. In fact, most of the huge monolithic structures around the world are explained in legends as being built by giants.

Then, Salisbury's stones were allegedly carried across the sea by the magic of Merlin during the beginning of the Dark Ages on the request of Ambrosius Aurelianus, who was king of the Britons at the time. They were needed as a monument to Hengist, a Saxon leader who killed Prince Vortigern.