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Anchoress
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posted 12 April 2005 03:24 PM
A 14-year-old Okanagan member of the Jehovah's Witness church has lost a bitter court battle against receiving blood transfusions. quote: In court documents, the girl described how a transfusion would contravene her religious beliefs."It's no different than somebody getting sexually assaulted or raped or robbed or something," she said. "You'd feel violated because it's not anybody else's property, it's you." Lawyers for the girl fought the case on the grounds the girl was not represented by legal counsel and that she was a "mature minor," capable of deciding her own treatment. They also said the girl's Charter rights were infringed by provincial law and she had suffered age discrimination.
Personally I think they should have respected her choice. [ 19 May 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ]
From: Vancouver babblers' meetup July 9 @ Cafe Deux Soleil! | Registered: Nov 2003
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 12 April 2005 03:30 PM
If she's old enough to voice her choice convincingly (ie: doesn't appear to be parrotting what her parents or pastor told her), and if her parents are in agreement, then I'd say let her refuse the treatment. It seems to me to be a totally fucked up waste of a life to please an invisible God who seems to enjoy it when people die young, but part of being able to make choices is being able to make stupid ones.
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Amy
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posted 12 April 2005 05:01 PM
One thing that always makes me nervous in cases like this is that is she didn't fight against the transfusion, what kind of emotional problems would she have to face from her family and community? I don't know her or her family, and so I don't mean to come across as speaking to her particular situation, but in cases where the 'mature minor' has to make a decision like this, accepting blood (or anything else that might contravene the parents' beliefs) might make it incredibly uncomfortable, if not intolerable, to remain in the family home. I'm not saying that it's a case of 'parroting' when something like that occurs, but I can't imagine the pressure. Edited to add: It's often the case that people have to make tough decisions about family and community, there can be an extra complication when you are a minor and your livlihood depends on your family. That shouldn't be the case, but it is sometimes.In any case, if the she and her family choose to appeal this, past cases have typically come down on the side of the 'mature minor'. [ 12 April 2005: Message edited by: Amy ]
From: the whole town erupts and/ bursts into flame | Registered: Feb 2002
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Amy
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posted 12 April 2005 05:38 PM
Oops, I edited right when you were posting. Most of the legal cases that I remember I was exposed to through a course that I took in the fall, and although I don't remember that case in particular, it sounds horrible. Morally-speaking, it is hard enough to make the case for a solidly established procedure, but a iffy-at-best one? Especially when it was showing no signs of helping, there is absolutely no justification for that. I find it really hard to refer to other instances that seem similar when thinking about issues like this, because each case really is different. Each case rests on the competence of the individual, which rests on all sorts of things including maturity and coercion (even subconscious coercion) from the family. Edited to add: It's especially hard to think about because in theory I really do agree that anyone who isn't 'parroting' should be able to make their own medical decisions. But sometimes it isn't that simple. [ 12 April 2005: Message edited by: Amy ]
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Anchoress
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posted 02 May 2005 07:59 PM
May 2 - Girl, 14, flees B.C. to avoid blood transfusion quote: The bitter fight over a blood transfusion for a 14-year-old Jehovah's Witness Okanagan girl is heading to a Toronto courtroom.The girl has gone into hiding with her family in Ontario to avoid blood transfusions that a B.C. court ordered should be given if medically necessary. Jeremy Berland, B.C.'s director of child welfare, will apply to the courts to authorize the "safety net" of transfusions if needed in her cancer treatment. Berland is scheduled to appear in Ontario Superior Court tomorrow to force the girl to have the treatment, including blood transfusions, if required.
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Anchoress
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posted 19 May 2005 03:20 AM
Update May 19: Jehovah's Witness teen allowed to transfer to New York hospital quote: VANCOUVER (CP) -- A British Columbia teenager being treated for cancer and in a legal battle due to her Jehovah's Witness beliefs has been transferred to a hospital in New York City for chemotherapy treatment. In a statement issued Wednesday, her lawyer, Shane Brady, said the girl was transferred to Schneider Children's Hospital from Children's Hospital in Vancouver. The transfer came after a B.C. Supreme Court ruling Tuesday that allowed the transfer based on an agreement reached between the director of child, family and community service, the teenager and her parents.
quote: The New York hospital has a "blood avoidance program" aimed at avoiding or minimizing the use of blood in treating their patients.
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DannyHaszard
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posted 04 June 2005 08:13 AM
I appreciated your fine reporting a 'heads up' on the Jehovah's Witnesses.Jehovah Witness Bogus Blood Transfusion Ban.Why they let Children Die.Children sacrificed,even Animals don't Eat their Young. Why Jehovah's Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusions. Jehovah's Witnesses have a non negotiable tenet of their belief system to reject Blood products. The origin of this dogma comes from their founding father Joseph Rutherford in the early 20th century.The consumption (eating) of blood was strictly forbidden under old testament law.The Watchtower leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses saw fit to extend this prohibition over to their belief system. They thought that the "end of the world" was coming back then (ca.1940),so,there would never be much of a body count causality. It is well into the 21st century,with the "end of the world" on hold,the Watchtower leaders have blood on their hands,with the deaths of innocent countless minor children.How would they account for this body count, if they repealed the 'no blood ban' now? More importantly, to them,the Watchtower parent corporation of Jehovah's Witnesses would be sued,for mega-bucks,for all the wrongful death lawsuits. Many children have died since rejecting life saving blood transfusions. Why do they maintain adherence to this archaic creed at all cost?Because the Watchtower fairy follows the money trail,and will do anything for a buck. Hello!What about all the dead Kids?Even wild Animals don't eat their young. Watchtower leadership REPEAL THE BOGUS BLOOD BAN NOW! Some educational links provided below: http://www.ajwrb.org/ http://www.towertotruth.net/Articles/blood_transfusions.htm http://www.dannyhaszard.com/cultvideos.htm Danny Haszard: Jehovah's Witness X 33 years and 3rd generation. My home page, WATCHTOWER WHISTLE BLOWER: http://www.DannyHaszard.com
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voice of the damned
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posted 04 June 2005 12:36 PM
quote: I don't welcome the pests at my front door either. But hey guys, they suffered enough during the Holocaust years.
They wore the purple triangle, I believe. They took some shit in Canada, too. I recommend a google search on Roncarelli vs. Duplessis. Actually, I have a lot of resepct for the JWs. Yeah, their beliefs are hidebound and ludicrous, but apart from knocking on our doors, they don't do much to force their creed on anyone, and they certainly do stand up for what they believe, often in the face of public ridicule. In Korea, JWs are routinely jailed for refusing military service. They've appealed this to the high courts, but to no avail. A student of mine told me that when he did his army service, he saw a JW court-martialed. The JW was standing in front of a judge, and there was a gun on display. The judge ordered the JW to pick up the gun, and when the defendant refused the judge ordered him again. After several rounds of this, the judge sentenced the JW to a prison term. Another student of mine WAS a JW. When I asked him what he planned to do when it came time for military service, he replied quite matter-of-factly "oh, I am going to go to jail". He said that he had talked to some co-religionists who had done time, and they told him that it wasn't so bad behind bars. Maybe, but I've also read in the papers about JWs getting beaten up in military prison. It's also the case that in the US, JWs are usually the people who file lawsuits against having to say the Pledge Of Allegiance in schools. All this said, I'm not sure if a 14 year old should be considered mature enough to choose a course of action that will result in her own death. No problem with adults refusing transfusions. [ 04 June 2005: Message edited by: voice of the damned ] [ 04 June 2005: Message edited by: voice of the damned ] [ 04 June 2005: Message edited by: voice of the damned ] [ 04 June 2005: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]
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GJJ
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posted 04 June 2005 02:20 PM
At fourteen she's probably capable of making her own decisions. Visit a hospital for sick children, talk to some of the young leukemia patients ... it'll open your eyes.I'm on the side of letting her make her own decision. Everyone dies sooner or later; if she can find peace and dignity doing it her way then the courts have no business getting involved. When did our society become so afraid of death? *drift* The religious right has the strangest relationship to death ... according to their beliefs dying is just going home to a much better place. You'd think they'd be sneaking around and pushing people off cliffs instead of going through the debacles like in Terry S.
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