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Anchoress
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posted 07 July 2005 07:11 AM
Someone didn't like the first line of this post so I changed it.From Suzette's two corrupted threads: quote: London's entire Underground railway network has been suspended after a blast and another "incident" shook the system, leaving several people wounded, officials and rescue workers said. In a separate incident, an explosion also ripped through a bus at Tavistock Square in the centre of London, just minutes after the blast rocked the Underground, a police spokesman said.
The rest of the story is here on ABC News Online (Australian service) or here on Yahoo UK. (The BBC News site isn't loading at the moment.) This is my second attempt to post this; electronic gremlins made mischief with the other one, so apologies for any confusion. Stupid gremlins. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ] [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ]
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Suzette
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posted 07 July 2005 07:35 AM
I was going to post updates, but I suppose that's kind of pointless, especially given how quickly information is unfolding. I've just seen an image of the bus that was hit at Tavistock Square, and it was peeled open like a sardine can. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Suzette ]
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posted 07 July 2005 07:53 AM
first speculation: Madrid bombings II ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523189,00.html The explosions in London look like an attempt to recreate the Madrid bombings and would have been planned for months, a leading terrorism expert said today as the capital began to come to terms with an apparently coordinated attack. Michael Clarke, director of the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College London, said six bombs would mean at least 24 people involved in planting them in a targeted operation. The fact that London had been hit when the resources of the security forces were focused on the G8 summit at Gleneagles indicated some clever thinking by terrorists. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Geneva ]
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posted 07 July 2005 08:01 AM
It sure looks like the same MO as the Madrid bombings. I wonder if British conservatives will blame the IRA prematurely (sarcasm warning)?The CBC is currently reporting only 2 deaths and 9 serious injuries. I know that it's of little consolation, but this could have been much, much worse. Thankfully, these particular terrorists were quite stupid (obviously), quite ineffective, or both. At any rate, it's good to see that the War on Terror is making the world more secure (sw).
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Suzette
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posted 07 July 2005 08:01 AM
In the Guardian article it notes that security attention was likely focussed on the G8 summit, which is a good point, I suppose. Let's hope that this is it finished, huh? Tony Blair's just made a statement, and looked deeply rattled.
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Hephaestion
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posted 07 July 2005 08:05 AM
CBC story Injured tube passengers are escorted away from London subway station. (CP Photo) quote: Two people are dead and scores injured after six near simultaneous explosions rocked London's public transit system Thursday morning.All London hospitals are on major incident alert, the city's emergency plan is in full gear and the subway system is shut down after blasts on one city bus and at least five subway stations. Injured tube passengers are escorted away from London subway station. (CP Photo) The roof was blown off a tourist double-decker bus near Russell Square station in central London around 10 a.m. local time. There has been no confirmation of deaths in the bus blast, but witnesses have reported seeing bodies under sheets. Fire trucks and ambulances raced to a number of subway stations after blasts were reported shortly before 9 a.m. local time. Police have confirmed two deaths and nine injured in the subway blasts. Witnesses say there are many "walking wounded" coming from the Underground, some covered in soot and blood. London Police Chief Ian Blair said "incidents" were reported at the following subway stations: Aldgate station, Edgeware Road, King's Cross, Old Street, Moorgate and Russell Square. Officials initially blamed a power surge for the subway blasts, but the police chief has since said he's concerned the blasts are a "co-ordinated attack." Evidence of explosive material has been found at one of the sites, he said. Italy's European commissioner, Franco Frattini called the explosions a terrorist strike. There has been no claim of responsibility.
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Anchoress
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posted 07 July 2005 08:09 AM
I don't know if it's of any use to people or even if it will work, but I was able to get through to www.bbc.co.uk/ after two tries, and am now listening to bbc5 radio live.Here's the link to the radio (using RealPlayer) that I'm currently listening to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_int.ram If the link doesn't work, you can get to the radio through the bbc URL. I just realised that one of the explosions was at or near the tube station in Edgeware, which is really near where I lived when I lived in London. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ]
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Hephaestion
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posted 07 July 2005 08:11 AM
London attacks send markets into panic quote: A series of six explosions on London's subway and transit system sent financial markets plunging Thursday morning, with the FTSE 100 index dropping by four per cent or 200 points within the first two hours.Stock prices and the British pound fell steeply, while European markets also lost between three and four per cent by 6:30 a.m. EDT, about two hours after first news reports of the incidents. Sterling hit a 19-month low against the U.S. dollar and insurance stocks took a dive, while traditionally safe gold and the Swiss franc gained.
D'ya think maybe it's the French Olympic Committee behind it?
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Suzette
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posted 07 July 2005 08:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by audra: I think posting updates is just fine.
Alrighty. The BBC newsreader was just handed a note saying that an Islamic group has claimed responsibility for the blast, but I didn't catch any more of that. Often there's a rush of claimants after blasts, of course, so that's probably not to be taken too seriously yet. Oh, and they took time out to mention that the pound and FTSE are down. Nice. Apparently there's a big rescue operation just getting underway at Kings Cross underground, so there could be more casualties, sadly. God, it's awful. edited to add that it's reported that it's al-Qaeda claiming responsibility. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Suzette ]
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RP.
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posted 07 July 2005 08:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hephaestion: D'ya think maybe it's the French Olympic Committee behind it?
D'ya think anyone's laffing? [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: RP. ]
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aRoused
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posted 07 July 2005 08:23 AM
The pound and stock market are down, but US Treasury bills are up. Nice to see someone's taking advantage of the situations... Most recent: 2 dead, 10 critical, 7 of which are 'serious', and about 100 injured in total. That'll probably rise, methinks. Mobile phones are down, I'm 95% certain two of my friends wouldn't have been in there at that time. This as I write: double-deckers are being used to bring casualties into hospital to cut down on ambulance congestion. Ambulance services are at capacity currently.
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skdadl
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posted 07 July 2005 08:32 AM
Here is a link to a map of the central part of the Tube system.You will see Edgeware Road station near the centre; King's Cross/St Pancras is far right, midway down, and Russell Square is just below it. Liverpool Street is east of this map. God. Russell Square. That's in the middle of Bloomsbury. A lot of the people using that Tube station will be students at the U of L, or people going to see museums, or to work in print shops and publishing companies ...
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skdadl
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posted 07 July 2005 08:54 AM
Forgive me, but I'm still feeling a little rattled. One of my brothers lives and works in London (yes, I've heard from him: he was just driving in to Soho when the blasts happened, and he's fine), and my niece is a student at U of L, except she's back here on break right now, which I remembered fast enough. I really feel bad, though. Like kurichina, I'm very worried about how Blair is going to spin and twist this -- he's been prepared to go too far against civil liberties even against the will of most Brits, so think what he'll try now that he has a lot of shaken people onside for a while. But there's also ... London. In spite of everything, it is such a wonderful, human place (yes, too expensive for most normal humans, but you know what I mean). I don't see any of those Tube stations as symbolic of awful power (although, as Suzette says, they got either end of the old financial district). I just ... I don't know.
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posted 07 July 2005 08:54 AM
Oh dear. I was thinking I don't know anyone who works in the City, but of course I do know Bloomsbury area workers. I've e-mailed two friends in London; deliberately not phoning or anything. With luck one of them is up protesting in Scotland... Must get back to work; I have a deadline with a publisher. By the way, I laughed at Heph's "French Olympic Committee" quip, and I'm sure many nervous Londoners have made the same joke to take some of the tension off...
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posted 07 July 2005 08:54 AM
press are reporting that at Kings Cross alone their are 10 dead and over 100 wounded.My God the horror in London. My thoughts and prayers are with friends, colleagues across the pond. As a world our thoughts are with not just the living but sadly also our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the dead.
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posted 07 July 2005 09:06 AM
I just got an email from a class mate of mine in grad school who now lives and works in London. It was quick. She wrote that she had just left Kings Cross about 5 min before the blast.Thank God she is ok. edited for forgetting how to spell she [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: johnpauljones ]
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Suzette
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posted 07 July 2005 09:12 AM
Anchoress: yes, I've heard four blasts confirmed just after hearing seven confirmed. Ah well, I guess it's early days yet, and everything's pretty chaotic. I guess all we really need to know right now is that blasts happened and people were hurt. But not johnpauljones' friend, which is great news. I've just heard Tony's statement again, and he's mentioned how G8 is going to be saving the environment. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Suzette ]
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Hephaestion
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posted 07 July 2005 09:19 AM
Sorry. "Gallows humour"... I'm a bugger for that.CBC Radio reporter said she heard a "bang" from *inside* the office tower she was in "on the West Side" (wherever that was???) She is currently saying how London is very quiet — she used the term "paralyzed".... apparently the phones are all down... "overloaded"
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miles
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posted 07 July 2005 09:34 AM
Suzette, Skdadl i am not as familiar with London as you 2 are.Could the bus bombs have been meant for underground stations? Are their any underground stations near where the bombs went off in the busses. To anyone who has friends and family in London my thoughts are with you. I hope all are ok
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skdadl
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posted 07 July 2005 09:39 AM
I've been wondering that too, miles.Do you remember the bomb that went off on a bus at Aldwych, maybe fifteen years ago? (I must google that.) It was an IRA bomb, and it was intended for ... somewhere else ... but went off prematurely. Aldwych is an ancient theatre crescent, just at the west end of Fleet Street -- I think we somehow learned that it hadn't been the target.
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posted 07 July 2005 09:44 AM
My thoughts are with all of those with friends and family in London.Off-topic: I don't think I've ever heard Bush mention "pandemic" when speaking about HIV/AIDS in Africa. 12 dead, says CTV.
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Anchoress
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posted 07 July 2005 09:50 AM
BBC is now confirming four separate incidents, three on trains and one on a bus. They say the three tube attacks seemed like more because there were people streaming out of several stations.Apparently two bombs went off while the trains were between stations, one in a station. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ]
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skdadl
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posted 07 July 2005 09:59 AM
Imagine if Karl Marx had been at his accustomed place in the British Library this a.m. Just kidding. The British Library isn't in the old BM any longer. But still. That's only a couple of blocks away from Russell Square. I used to work on Great Russell Street, the street that the BM is on.
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posted 07 July 2005 10:06 AM
Not any that I'm aware of, not on the order of those combined stations in TO. I was thinking of a suicide bomber who was running late..The BBC's website front is now 100% London news, with a colour change. Timeline: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659331.stm An eyewitness claimed the Tavistock Square bus was 'packed' before the explosion. I'm still waiting to hear from a friend who lived between Liverpool St. and Aldgate. I'm sure he's fine as he'd have been away from the station heading to where he works, not just getting on the train at 8:50AM. At least that's what I'm telling myself.
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posted 07 July 2005 10:17 AM
latest casualty figures that I have seen is 15 dead and over 200 injured.This is still early I fear that the totals will rise before the day is out. JohnPaulJones I am glad to hear your friend is ok. aRoused my thoughts are with you and your friend. I hope all turns out ok.
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posted 07 July 2005 10:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mohamad Khan: God, please let this not be the work of Muslims. and if it is, please let there not be a backlash against ordinary Muslims.
Mohamad I agree and hope that their is not a backlash against as you put it ordinary Muslims since we all know that ordinary people no matter what their religion do not resort to tacticts of terror. We must all,no matter our religion or political beliefs work together to combat all forms of hate and fight together against the condemnation of an entire people because of the actions of a few The BBC posted this story. BBC reporter on site One of the most telling parts of the story is the fact that one of the bus bombings occured under the watchful eyes of the Ghandi statue. quote: Amid all the chaos of today's atrocities there was one particularly potent irony. In the garden square where terrorists chose to ignite a bomb on a bus full of ordinary people is statue of Ghandi. It overlooks the wreckage of attack and it was hard not to wonder what a man whose name is synonymous with change through peaceful protest would have thought of the events of 7 July 2005 and all that led up to them.
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posted 07 July 2005 10:37 AM
The bbc online story had a translation from an "Islamist website" of what they said was a claim of responsibility from a group which had "previously not been heard of" called the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe.The cbc.ca story mentioned this up until about five minutes ago, when it changed to saying there are no confirmed claims of responsibility, so I'm not sure what might have happened, but it sounds like they may think that's false. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Alix ]
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posted 07 July 2005 10:39 AM
I'm looking now at the triangle of attacks in the East End -- Moorgate, Aldgate, and Liverpool Street. Again, why? That is Eastcheap / Whitechapel / Spitalfields, for pity's sakes. That's old Jack the Ripper territory. Until very recently, it was an extremely poor area in parts, although it does border on the old financial district (north and east of the Bank of England, the "old lady of Threadneedle Street"). I believe it is being yuppified now, but it has been a reception area for immigrants for centuries, centuries.
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posted 07 July 2005 10:41 AM
CBC Radio reporting 45 confirmed dead (so far), 1,000 wounded (and climbing)....AP has # of injured at only 300; CBC Radio now saying injured number "in the hundreds", although they still note that a number of other media outlets are still reporting "a thousand or more injured". British police are *not* pleased at the media's rush, and are stressing that they have no *firm* numbers yet. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]
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posted 07 July 2005 10:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mohamad Khan:
God, please let this not be the work of Muslims. and if it is, please let there not be a backlash against ordinary Muslims.
Yes, absolutely. The last wave of knee-jerk attacks against mosques and regular Muslims on the street was horrible; these attacks really drive the wedges deeper. I just saw an interview with two men introduced as experts on terrorism, Boaz Ganor and Rohan Gunaratna, and they both agreed that the only way out of what really is a world war (their words) is true cooperation and negotiation. Not the usual bullying coupled with a token veil of pretence, but genuine talking, listening and give-and-take. The rules are just so very different in this war, but we're still trying to play by the old rules. Ganor also made the point that if the US and UK are seen to not be coping with terrorist threats then, far from the aim of controlling terrorism, it'll actually give the signal that it's well worth a shot. I don't know anything about the backgrounds or agendas of this pair, but what they were saying made sense to me.
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Hephaestion
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posted 07 July 2005 10:55 AM
CBC Radio reporting the following CANADIAN number(s) to call for info: 613-943-1055 outside the National Capital Region: 1-800-387-3124 [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]
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Mohamad Khan
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posted 07 July 2005 11:04 AM
thanks for the links to the claims.skdadl, i had the same thoughts about the complete craziness of attacking the transit system. not that bombing a place more symbolic of power would have been justified. i was staying in the area (on Gower Street), visiting my friend at U of L, in early May. loved it there. i was trying to figure out where exactly the explosions happened: does anyone know the times of the explosions? [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Mohamad Khan ]
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Mohamad Khan
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posted 07 July 2005 11:09 AM
Muslim leaders join condemnationMuslim leaders have condemned the attacks on London and said they fear their communities could now fall prey to vigilante attacks. Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said the attacks would make the Muslim community less safe. He said women in headscarves might be in particular danger and warned all Muslims to be especially vigilant. Muslim News editor Ahmed Versi noted one of London's biggest Muslim areas, around Aldgate East, had been targeted. [ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Mohamad Khan ]
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posted 07 July 2005 11:10 AM
quote: Did you read Red Ken's statement on the livejournal that kurichina linked to?
I just saw him make this statement -- it was on Newsworld. It was riveting. (I have linked to this discussion from our front page.)
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skdadl
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posted 07 July 2005 11:13 AM
fern hill, I'm wondering, though, whether that doesn't mean that the reports of two buses are correct -- one a London Transport bus, the one from Hackney (shit: why bomb people from Hackney? I mean: why bomb anyone, but ... shit), and the other a tourist bus.MK, I'm sorry I'm so worked up. I am really realizing how other people feel when places they know are violated this way -- people from anywhere. I so detest all the windbags who are currently violating Gleneagles, another place I love (well, I actually have no love for the hotel or the golf course, but it is close to places I love), but I am staring at that map of the explosions and thinking: tourists, students, bookish people, immigrants, food-market workers ... why target them? I can see the clear transportation routes, though.
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posted 07 July 2005 11:16 AM
quote: Muslim News editor Ahmed Versi noted one of London's biggest Muslim areas, around Aldgate East, had been targeted.
That is true. Almost any group that did this, given the diversity of that area, is going to have killed or wounded some people they should think of as their own people.
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posted 07 July 2005 11:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by audra trower williams: I think posting updates is just fine. We'll close the thread when it gets too long, and start another. Courage to everyone with family in London right now.
Courage? Is Audra really Dan Rathers? Who knew! Courage
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