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Anchoress
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posted 07 July 2005 07:11 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Someone didn't like the first line of this post so I changed it.

From Suzette's two corrupted threads:

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London's entire Underground railway network has been suspended after a blast and another "incident" shook the system, leaving several people wounded, officials and rescue workers said.
In a separate incident, an explosion also ripped through a bus at Tavistock Square in the centre of London, just minutes after the blast rocked the Underground, a police spokesman said.

The rest of the story is
here on ABC News Online (Australian service) or here on Yahoo UK.

(The BBC News site isn't loading at the moment.)

This is my second attempt to post this; electronic gremlins made mischief with the other one, so apologies for any confusion. Stupid gremlins.

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Anchoress
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CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

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Thanks Anchoress. I was in London just 6 weeks ago or so, and I recall while I was travelling around on the tube thinking how hard they are to get out of in a hurry. A couple of times I'd notice that I'd relax considerably when I finally reached the fresh air, and hadn't even realised I was tense.

Apparently there were six blasts.


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posted 07 July 2005 07:35 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was going to post updates, but I suppose that's kind of pointless, especially given how quickly information is unfolding.

I've just seen an image of the bus that was hit at Tavistock Square, and it was peeled open like a sardine can.

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posted 07 July 2005 07:47 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh no oh no oh no.
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Suzette
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Urgh. It's horrible. I think that's it for me with the TV coverage, though. I just saw footage of a horribly injured man being pulled out of an ambulance, a paramedic pumping away on his chest. He looked quite dead. I understand that decisions on what to show and what not to must be made very quickly under these circumstances, but for christ's sake, what a fucking violation. Can you imagine having a camera shoved in your face as, in shock, you're having your injured head bandaged, or worse? Yukko.
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first speculation: Madrid bombings II ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523189,00.html

The explosions in London look like an attempt to recreate the Madrid bombings and would have been planned for months, a leading terrorism expert said today as the capital began to come to terms with an apparently coordinated attack.

Michael Clarke, director of the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College London, said six bombs would mean at least 24 people involved in planting them in a targeted operation. The fact that London had been hit when the resources of the security forces were focused on the G8 summit at Gleneagles indicated some clever thinking by terrorists.

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It sure looks like the same MO as the Madrid bombings. I wonder if British conservatives will blame the IRA prematurely (sarcasm warning)?

The CBC is currently reporting only 2 deaths and 9 serious injuries. I know that it's of little consolation, but this could have been much, much worse. Thankfully, these particular terrorists were quite stupid (obviously), quite ineffective, or both.

At any rate, it's good to see that the War on Terror is making the world more secure (sw).


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In the Guardian article it notes that security attention was likely focussed on the G8 summit, which is a good point, I suppose.

Let's hope that this is it finished, huh?

Tony Blair's just made a statement, and looked deeply rattled.


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CBC story

Injured tube passengers are escorted away from London subway station. (CP Photo)

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Two people are dead and scores injured after six near simultaneous explosions rocked London's public transit system Thursday morning.

All London hospitals are on major incident alert, the city's emergency plan is in full gear and the subway system is shut down after blasts on one city bus and at least five subway stations.
Injured tube passengers are escorted away from London subway station. (CP Photo)

The roof was blown off a tourist double-decker bus near Russell Square station in central London around 10 a.m. local time.

There has been no confirmation of deaths in the bus blast, but witnesses have reported seeing bodies under sheets.

Fire trucks and ambulances raced to a number of subway stations after blasts were reported shortly before 9 a.m. local time.

Police have confirmed two deaths and nine injured in the subway blasts. Witnesses say there are many "walking wounded" coming from the Underground, some covered in soot and blood.

London Police Chief Ian Blair said "incidents" were reported at the following subway stations: Aldgate station, Edgeware Road, King's Cross, Old Street, Moorgate and Russell Square.

Officials initially blamed a power surge for the subway blasts, but the police chief has since said he's concerned the blasts are a "co-ordinated attack." Evidence of explosive material has been found at one of the sites, he said.

Italy's European commissioner, Franco Frattini called the explosions a terrorist strike.

There has been no claim of responsibility.


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I agree that this is probably good timing what with police forces from all over the country being up here. It's weird, I'm hearing so many accents on the streets and so many of the officers are just standing around in front of banks.

I really fear for the future of civil liberties and race relations in this country now.


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I think posting updates is just fine. We'll close the thread when it gets too long, and start another.

Courage to everyone with family in London right now.


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I don't know if it's of any use to people or even if it will work, but I was able to get through to www.bbc.co.uk/ after two tries, and am now listening to bbc5 radio live.

Here's the link to the radio (using RealPlayer) that I'm currently listening to:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_int.ram

If the link doesn't work, you can get to the radio through the bbc URL.

I just realised that one of the explosions was at or near the tube station in Edgeware, which is really near where I lived when I lived in London.

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London attacks send markets into panic

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A series of six explosions on London's subway and transit system sent financial markets plunging Thursday morning, with the FTSE 100 index dropping by four per cent or 200 points within the first two hours.

Stock prices and the British pound fell steeply, while European markets also lost between three and four per cent by 6:30 a.m. EDT, about two hours after first news reports of the incidents.

Sterling hit a 19-month low against the U.S. dollar and insurance stocks took a dive, while traditionally safe gold and the Swiss franc gained.


D'ya think maybe it's the French Olympic Committee behind it?


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quote:
Originally posted by audra:
I think posting updates is just fine.

Alrighty.

The BBC newsreader was just handed a note saying that an Islamic group has claimed responsibility for the blast, but I didn't catch any more of that. Often there's a rush of claimants after blasts, of course, so that's probably not to be taken too seriously yet.

Oh, and they took time out to mention that the pound and FTSE are down. Nice.

Apparently there's a big rescue operation just getting underway at Kings Cross underground, so there could be more casualties, sadly. God, it's awful.

edited to add that it's reported that it's al-Qaeda claiming responsibility.

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Urgh. Further to the issue of media coverage: the Guardian site is offering an audio clip entitled "Someone help me". Classy. Tasteful.
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quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
D'ya think maybe it's the French Olympic Committee behind it?

D'ya think anyone's laffing?

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The pound and stock market are down, but US Treasury bills are up. Nice to see someone's taking advantage of the situations...

Most recent: 2 dead, 10 critical, 7 of which are 'serious', and about 100 injured in total. That'll probably rise, methinks.

Mobile phones are down, I'm 95% certain two of my friends wouldn't have been in there at that time.

This as I write: double-deckers are being used to bring casualties into hospital to cut down on ambulance congestion. Ambulance services are at capacity currently.


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Let's keep this strictly news. Thanks.
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quote:
D'ya think anyone's laffing?
A colleague (Yorkshireman) said precisely that when he heard. I think he was in denial.

Edit: Roger, audra.

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This is from The Guardian:
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"I got off the train, walked off about five paces. There was a huge, I mean a huge, explosion which appeared to come from the back end of the train or the tunnel. Everybody just froze - what the hell's going on? Then everybody walked out of the station quite calmly ... There was no pushing. I went upstairs and got out. It was then you think how lucky you are."
Michael Searle, had just got off a Circle Line train from Victoria to Liverpool Street

I think that people managed to get out without freaking and making it even more dangerous is just splendid. This is one thing I enjoy about the British, if you'll forgive a great, big generalisation: when it all boils down they tend to be very practical and rational. Apparently the city is very quiet at the moment. I guess everyone's who's free to do so is having a nice cup of tea and a sit down.


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Here is a link to a map of the central part of the Tube system.

You will see Edgeware Road station near the centre; King's Cross/St Pancras is far right, midway down, and Russell Square is just below it. Liverpool Street is east of this map.

God. Russell Square. That's in the middle of Bloomsbury. A lot of the people using that Tube station will be students at the U of L, or people going to see museums, or to work in print shops and publishing companies ...


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Yeah, skdadl, they're all really pumping stations at peak hour. Liverpool St and Aldgate are at either end of the banking district...well, all of the stations were busy, anyway.

Police have just confirmed there were seven blasts.


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I've seen a few interviews with survivors and they all seem to be saying that the emergency services are incredibly well-organised.
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Forgive me, but I'm still feeling a little rattled. One of my brothers lives and works in London (yes, I've heard from him: he was just driving in to Soho when the blasts happened, and he's fine), and my niece is a student at U of L, except she's back here on break right now, which I remembered fast enough.

I really feel bad, though. Like kurichina, I'm very worried about how Blair is going to spin and twist this -- he's been prepared to go too far against civil liberties even against the will of most Brits, so think what he'll try now that he has a lot of shaken people onside for a while.

But there's also ... London. In spite of everything, it is such a wonderful, human place (yes, too expensive for most normal humans, but you know what I mean). I don't see any of those Tube stations as symbolic of awful power (although, as Suzette says, they got either end of the old financial district). I just ... I don't know.


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Oh dear. I was thinking I don't know anyone who works in the City, but of course I do know Bloomsbury area workers. I've e-mailed two friends in London; deliberately not phoning or anything. With luck one of them is up protesting in Scotland...

Must get back to work; I have a deadline with a publisher.

By the way, I laughed at Heph's "French Olympic Committee" quip, and I'm sure many nervous Londoners have made the same joke to take some of the tension off...


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press are reporting that at Kings Cross alone their are 10 dead and over 100 wounded.

My God the horror in London.

My thoughts and prayers are with friends, colleagues across the pond.

As a world our thoughts are with not just the living but sadly also our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the dead.


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I've had 2 conversation about England since July 3rd.
One with my nephew, from London now in the USA, who said he was amazed at how many Americans fly their flags for 4th July. In England no one dares fly their flag in fear of upsetting some intolerant groups.
Yesterday, after the olympic decision the discussion involved how London isn't safe for that. Their are too many wingnuts of all sorts.
And now this.
I heard Blair say 'terrorists who wish to force their extremism on the world'.
It could be any group! I'm not even going to guess which. I'll wait for the facts.
But I feel sick watching this after those 2 discussions.

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I hope everyone hears good news from loved ones soon.

I'm really rattled by this, too. I don't have any close friends or family there, but still...

And yes, sorry Heph, I meant to say how very British your Olympic quip was. If there's one thing my British family gave me it's a sense of humour that gets blacker the worse the situation becomes.


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I just got an email from a class mate of mine in grad school who now lives and works in London. It was quick. She wrote that she had just left Kings Cross about 5 min before the blast.

Thank God she is ok.

edited for forgetting how to spell she

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The BBC is saying four confirmed blasts and two confirmed dead.
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Anchoress: yes, I've heard four blasts confirmed just after hearing seven confirmed. Ah well, I guess it's early days yet, and everything's pretty chaotic. I guess all we really need to know right now is that blasts happened and people were hurt.

But not johnpauljones' friend, which is great news.

I've just heard Tony's statement again, and he's mentioned how G8 is going to be saving the environment.

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King's Cross -- my main association with King's Cross is all the trains to and from the north -- that's where you'd be arriving at 8 a.m. on the sleeper from Edinburgh or Newcastle, eg.

Sorry. I'm just chittering.


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Sorry. "Gallows humour"... I'm a bugger for that.

CBC Radio reporter said she heard a "bang" from *inside* the office tower she was in "on the West Side" (wherever that was???)

She is currently saying how London is very quiet — she used the term "paralyzed".... apparently the phones are all down... "overloaded"


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Prime Minister Blair is now on a helicopter returning to London from the G8 meetings.
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Blair did seem rather rattled in his second statement from the summit, with the rest of the leaders in the background.
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I have a similar association, skdadl; arriving at Kings Cross/St Pancras from my cousin's place in Lincolnshire, as I did frequently... complete with the roolly cute packed lunch she sent me along with each time.

Actually, I've just had a look at my London A-Z and the bus that was bombed was in the Bloomsbury area area, too. So there were three -- Tavistock Sq, Russell Sq and King's Cross -- all fairly close together. I wonder if they were targeting anything in particular there?


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Oh barf, GWB is talking. About eradicating AIDS and spreading an ideology of hope.

Sorry, off topic.


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Yeah, I'm staring at my Street-by-Street, and I am thinking ... Tavistock Square? I mean, I don't understand it. It has been a long time since I've walked up there, but I'm assuming that a lot of that is just university stuff?

Edgeware Road -- that connects to Paddington, which is where the trains from the west and from Heathrow, I think, come in. Those are permanently busy stations, iconic for travellers, too.


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CBC Radio was just talking to a "William Chamberlain", one of their reporters who was *on* the double-decker that was hit. He sounds rather rattled. Understandably enough....

Apparently Blair isn't planning on *staying* in London; he's "taking five or six hours out" to fly down and check things out...


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Suzette, Skdadl i am not as familiar with London as you 2 are.

Could the bus bombs have been meant for underground stations? Are their any underground stations near where the bombs went off in the busses.

To anyone who has friends and family in London my thoughts are with you. I hope all are ok


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I've been wondering that too, miles.

Do you remember the bomb that went off on a bus at Aldwych, maybe fifteen years ago? (I must google that.)

It was an IRA bomb, and it was intended for ... somewhere else ... but went off prematurely. Aldwych is an ancient theatre crescent, just at the west end of Fleet Street -- I think we somehow learned that it hadn't been the target.


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Link to news report of Blair's statement (CBC)

transcript of Blair's statement (via CBC)

Photogallery (CBC and AP photos)

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My thoughts are with all of those with friends and family in London.

Off-topic: I don't think I've ever heard Bush mention "pandemic" when speaking about HIV/AIDS in Africa.

12 dead, says CTV.


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My suspicion is that the bus bomb was meant to be on a subway when it went off. That being said, if someone was on that bus and survived largely unscathed, it probably wasn't that big of a bomb.

Statement claiming responsibility, BBC translation:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm


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BBC is now confirming four separate incidents, three on trains and one on a bus. They say the three tube attacks seemed like more because there were people streaming out of several stations.

Apparently two bombs went off while the trains were between stations, one in a station.

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I sit corrected on two points: the Aldwych bombing occurred in 1996, and that crescent is at the west end of the Strand, which then turns into Fleet Street.

Hard for me to believe that it is that recent. IRA bombings seem like ... another lifetime.


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I don't know if this answers your question any, miles, but you can at least get some idea of how close together they are. All of the black dots are tube stations.


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aRoused, do any buses actually go into subway stations in London? That's common here, but I don't remember anywhere that that happened in London, except maybe at the main train interchanges.

One place I would not have stayed long this morning would have been Charing Cross, which is where the Euro trains come in.


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Imagine if Karl Marx had been at his accustomed place in the British Library this a.m.

Just kidding. The British Library isn't in the old BM any longer. But still. That's only a couple of blocks away from Russell Square.

I used to work on Great Russell Street, the street that the BM is on.


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(Sorry, slight drift: did you know the BM is free to visit now?)
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Not any that I'm aware of, not on the order of those combined stations in TO. I was thinking of a suicide bomber who was running late..

The BBC's website front is now 100% London news, with a colour change.

Timeline:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659331.stm

An eyewitness claimed the Tavistock Square bus was 'packed' before the explosion.

I'm still waiting to hear from a friend who lived between Liverpool St. and Aldgate. I'm sure he's fine as he'd have been away from the station heading to where he works, not just getting on the train at 8:50AM. At least that's what I'm telling myself.


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{Reply to drift: I didn't know that it had ever cost. Maybe it did, although I'm thinking back to the seventies. I might have had a pass from my boss, or from a university supervisor.)
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(Maybe paying was a Thatcher thing)
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Photo slideshow - 46 in total (Yahoo News)
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I hope you don't think I'm trying to down play your concern, aRoused, but the odds are that your friend will be OK. Percentage-wise, the number of people involved versus the number of people who use the tube every peak hour must be quite small. I hope you get good news soon.
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CBC Radio reporting it was *NOT* a commuter bus that was hit, it was a tourist bus....
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So sad. I was just watching telly and I recognize some buildings. Bloomsbury is my nabe in London. And I'm flashing back to my first trip there (in 1986?) -- we were wandering around jet-lagged and happened to be near St James (embassy district). Yeah, yeah, London is a huge city but keee-rist it's noisy, all these sirens, helicopters, cops on motorcycles. Yowza, someone seems to be speaking on a megaphone from one of the choppers. Oooh, he's telling people to get off the roofs. My pal wants to go see what's happening; the focus seems to be just a couple of streets over. I say: 'Let's get the fuck outta here.' A bit later we found out that it was the hostage-taking at the Libyan embassy, during which a police-woman was killed. Say what you like about the stiff-upper-lipped Brits -- but they were shocked by the killing of a bobby, and very shocked that it was a woman.
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latest casualty figures that I have seen is 15 dead and over 200 injured.

This is still early I fear that the totals will rise before the day is out.

JohnPaulJones I am glad to hear your friend is ok.

aRoused my thoughts are with you and your friend. I hope all turns out ok.


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I think the casualties are going to be huge actually. The radio's saying in one of the stations a bomb went off in a train just as it was leaving, while another train was just coming into the station, and the only people who made it out from underground seem to be people on the train without the bomb. The people at that station are talking about people with missing limbs etc...
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Latest update that I heard.
The double decker was a tourist bus
40 dead and climbing
Al Queda has claimed responsibility
London has turned off everyones cell phones
Tube and buses shut down and many streets on lockdown
Blair leaving g8 (tho he says he will return) to go to london
G8 leaders saying this is a international attack, not jsut alocal one

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i got an email from one of my dearest friends (a PhD student at the U of L) this morning saying that he was within a kilometre of the tube explosions, and one of the buses exploded nearby his school. he's keeping indoors. phone lines are down.

God, please let this not be the work of Muslims. and if it is, please let there not be a backlash against ordinary Muslims.

whoever the motherfuckers are who did this, i certainly hope that they come to justice.


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U.S. Opens Emergency Call Center for London Explosion Inquiries

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(AP) The State Department has set up an emergency telephone line for people to call if any Americans were injured or missing in the series of explosions in London on Thursday.

People with information should call 1-888-407-4747


Text of Dubya's statement


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The cbc.ca page on this story is updated slightly every couple of minutes, I've noticed, and in the last five minutes, they've taken out the "al-Qaeda group claims responsibility on the internet" and substituted "there have been no confirmed claims of responsibility."
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This is very sad on so many levels. My thoughts are with the UK babblers as well as anyone who has ties to people and communities in london.
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As I was coming into work today, someone told me in the elevator that al Qaeda has taken responsibility. Is that just rumour/speculation or has it been reported? I've read most of this thread and haven't seen anything posted along those lines, but I don't really have access to news sources right now.

Whoops, didn't see Bacchus's post - I was composing this one between tasks.

[ 07 July 2005: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Mohamad Khan:
God, please let this not be the work of Muslims. and if it is, please let there not be a backlash against ordinary Muslims.


Mohamad I agree and hope that their is not a backlash against as you put it ordinary Muslims since we all know that ordinary people no matter what their religion do not resort to tacticts of terror.

We must all,no matter our religion or political beliefs work together to combat all forms of hate and fight together against the condemnation of an entire people because of the actions of a few
The BBC posted this story.

BBC reporter on site

One of the most telling parts of the story is the fact that one of the bus bombings occured under the watchful eyes of the Ghandi statue.

quote:
Amid all the chaos of today's atrocities there was one particularly potent irony.

In the garden square where terrorists chose to ignite a bomb on a bus full of ordinary people is statue of Ghandi.

It overlooks the wreckage of attack and it was hard not to wonder what a man whose name is synonymous with change through peaceful protest would have thought of the events of 7 July 2005 and all that led up to them.



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They've cleared out hospitals of all non-essential patients to make room.
My nephew is waiting to hear from 3 friends who would be traveling home.
He said buses do go into stations.

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Michelle, what i read was that a group associated with Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility in a German newspaper (or magazine?).
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The bbc online story had a translation from an "Islamist website" of what they said was a claim of responsibility from a group which had "previously not been heard of" called the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe.

The cbc.ca story mentioned this up until about five minutes ago, when it changed to saying there are no confirmed claims of responsibility, so I'm not sure what might have happened, but it sounds like they may think that's false.

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I'm looking now at the triangle of attacks in the East End -- Moorgate, Aldgate, and Liverpool Street.

Again, why? That is Eastcheap / Whitechapel / Spitalfields, for pity's sakes. That's old Jack the Ripper territory. Until very recently, it was an extremely poor area in parts, although it does border on the old financial district (north and east of the Bank of England, the "old lady of Threadneedle Street").

I believe it is being yuppified now, but it has been a reception area for immigrants for centuries, centuries.


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Statement claiming London attacks
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CBC Radio reporting 45 confirmed dead (so far), 1,000 wounded (and climbing)....

AP has # of injured at only 300; CBC Radio now saying injured number "in the hundreds", although they still note that a number of other media outlets are still reporting "a thousand or more injured".

British police are *not* pleased at the media's rush, and are stressing that they have no *firm* numbers yet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mohamad Khan:

God, please let this not be the work of Muslims. and if it is, please let there not be a backlash against ordinary Muslims.

Yes, absolutely. The last wave of knee-jerk attacks against mosques and regular Muslims on the street was horrible; these attacks really drive the wedges deeper.

I just saw an interview with two men introduced as experts on terrorism, Boaz Ganor and Rohan Gunaratna, and they both agreed that the only way out of what really is a world war (their words) is true cooperation and negotiation. Not the usual bullying coupled with a token veil of pretence, but genuine talking, listening and give-and-take. The rules are just so very different in this war, but we're still trying to play by the old rules. Ganor also made the point that if the US and UK are seen to not be coping with terrorist threats then, far from the aim of controlling terrorism, it'll actually give the signal that it's well worth a shot. I don't know anything about the backgrounds or agendas of this pair, but what they were saying made sense to me.


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BBC still saying only 2 dead. I just heard their security expert Frank Gardner say that AlQaeda attacks normally have a much higher body count, and "hopefully this isn't a precursor to something worse." Obviously the rail lines agree: they have closed almost all the mainline stations in London, you have to get off at places like Watford and take a bus the rest of the way. And they've also closed the Portsmouth and Brighton rail stations for no apparent reason except fear of another round.

Our son is scheduled to fly at 11:00 from Canada into Heathrow. We do NOT want to hear speculation as to where the next bombs will go off.


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I've tried googling for "this day in history" facts, but I'm not coming up with anything for 7 July. Anyone have any inspirations?

Otherwise, it looks as though the connection is just the G8.


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Oh my sweet lord. Do these people stop?

My deepest sorrow goes out to these poor souls and all the families that were involved.


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Wilfred, I wish your son a quiet landing.

I would give him the cab fare into London, m'self. I suspect that that airport is as secure as anywhere on earth, but the trains probably won't be running, and even if they were ...


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Locations plotted on a map, on of the many links from this LiveJournal community set up to share information related to the incident, including contact info that may be useful for people looking for those they know.

I didn't realize there was one at Liverpool Street. That was my main entry to the city when I lived in Norwich. Brings back memories.


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CBC Radio reporting the following CANADIAN number(s) to call for info:

613-943-1055

outside the National Capital Region:

1-800-387-3124

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Did you read Red Ken's statement on the livejournal that kurichina linked to?

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"I know that you personally do not fear to give your own life in exchange for taking others. That is why you are so dangerous. But I know you do fear that you will fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society. I can show you why you will fail. In the days that follow, look at our airports, look at our seaports and look at our railway stations. And even after your cowardly attack you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners, to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential. They choose to come to London as many have come before because they come to be free. They come to live the life they choose, they come to be themselves. They flee you, because you tell them how they should live."

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I just heard on CTV that the bus was a no. 30 Hackney bus, so perhaps not a tourist bus, not that it matters much. . .
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This is horrible. Terrorism has become the scourge of the 21st century. My heart goes out to the victims that survived and to the families who are grieving today.
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thanks for the links to the claims.

skdadl, i had the same thoughts about the complete craziness of attacking the transit system. not that bombing a place more symbolic of power would have been justified.

i was staying in the area (on Gower Street), visiting my friend at U of L, in early May. loved it there. i was trying to figure out where exactly the explosions happened:

does anyone know the times of the explosions?

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If I see Bush's grinning face one my time saying 'to spread an ideology of hope', obviously his new catch phrase for this tragedy, grrrrrrrrr.
Why the eff is he grinning?

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Muslim leaders join condemnation

Muslim leaders have condemned the attacks on London and said they fear their communities could now fall prey to vigilante attacks.

Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said the attacks would make the Muslim community less safe.

He said women in headscarves might be in particular danger and warned all Muslims to be especially vigilant.

Muslim News editor Ahmed Versi noted one of London's biggest Muslim areas, around Aldgate East, had been targeted.

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Did you read Red Ken's statement on the livejournal that kurichina linked to?

I just saw him make this statement -- it was on Newsworld. It was riveting.

(I have linked to this discussion from our front page.)


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quote:
God, please let this not be the work of Muslims.

It sounds more and more like it is Al Qaeda, so your wish has come true.

A number of Al Qaeda groups have claimed responsibility for the bombings.


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fern hill, I'm wondering, though, whether that doesn't mean that the reports of two buses are correct -- one a London Transport bus, the one from Hackney (shit: why bomb people from Hackney? I mean: why bomb anyone, but ... shit), and the other a tourist bus.

MK, I'm sorry I'm so worked up. I am really realizing how other people feel when places they know are violated this way -- people from anywhere.

I so detest all the windbags who are currently violating Gleneagles, another place I love (well, I actually have no love for the hotel or the golf course, but it is close to places I love), but I am staring at that map of the explosions and thinking: tourists, students, bookish people, immigrants, food-market workers ... why target them?

I can see the clear transportation routes, though.


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Muslim News editor Ahmed Versi noted one of London's biggest Muslim areas, around Aldgate East, had been targeted.

That is true.

Almost any group that did this, given the diversity of that area, is going to have killed or wounded some people they should think of as their own people.


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I take issue with the thread title "Chaos as blasts rock London tube, bus". From what I am watching on TV and listening to the radio there is little to no Chaos. The emergency response teams are working very efficiently. If this was a hollywood movie then yes, there would be chaos but in real life there is little of it.
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Mohamad Khan, here's a timeline that aRoused linked to earlier. It's a little busy, so I don't know if you'll find the info you're looking for.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659331.stm


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quote:
Originally posted by scooter:
I take issue with the thread title "Chaos as blasts rock London tube, bus".

That was simply the title of the first article that I quoted and linked to (or that Anchoress did on my behalf) as it appeared on the news site. It was written as it had just happened, so it was actually accurate at the time. So I hope your issue is a little relieved now.

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I think the title is fine. I rather think, if I were that woman who appears to have had her face burned off, that I would think the word "chaos" applies.
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CBC Radio: London police reporting 33 confirmed dead so far.
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quote:
Originally posted by audra trower williams:
I think posting updates is just fine. We'll close the thread when it gets too long, and start another.

Courage to everyone with family in London right now.


Courage? Is Audra really Dan Rathers? Who knew!

Courage


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scooter, you "take issue" with a title describing an awful event, and you feel motivated to attempt gags like this? Don't you think that perhaps some of the people here who have connections to London might rather you didn't? Perhaps? Maybe?

I'm afraid I can't wait around for your reply; I'm turning in.


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Geeshh...most people use humour to deal with tragic situations.

Haven't you ever watched an episode of CSI: Las Vegas. The Gil Grissom character is famous for his one line zingers.


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I wonder if we had sent troops to Iraq if the same thing would happen here in Canada. Would they strike Toronto's subway system?
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Bacchus
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posted 07 July 2005 11:57 AM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Geeshh...most people use humour to deal with tragic situations.

Yes and havent you noticed that Audra above asked us to just post news here, not jokes?


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 July 2005 11:57 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Did you read Red Ken's statement on the livejournal that kurichina linked to?

He appears to be very close to saying "you hate us for our freedoms".

I'll be honest: shit like these bombings actually make me not really give a crap what the bombers want. I don't care what their grievance is, if this is the only way they know how to air it.


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audra trower williams
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posted 07 July 2005 12:00 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Okay. Let's do this up right. Keep the news threads for information as it comes out (this is long, so I am closing it), if you want to start a thread about speculation, then do so, and if you want to fight with eachother over things, please don't.
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