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Durango
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posted 11 June 2004 10:00 PM      Profile for Durango     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No religious folks. I have thought of this question for a long time. And come to this person:

Franz Joseph Haydn. I would be glad to post why, if anyone is interested.


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posted 11 June 2004 10:06 PM      Profile for Durango     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is no right answer. I took each academic field and wrote the best in that field.

Kind of fun. It makes you think.


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posted 11 June 2004 11:55 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What does 'famous' mean in this context?
The usual definition is 'known about by many people'; a secondary, less common, definition is 'excellent'. May i infer that you are using it in the second sense?
Gandhi springs to mind, as do Galileo and Galen.
I have nothing against composers, my particular favourite being Schubert, but why would one of them be the most excellent (or widely known) person, ever?

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posted 12 June 2004 12:04 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, probably there is a "right answer" in that theoretically, if you could poll the entire planet in a short period of time and list every person, past or present, that could conceivably be called a celebrity, someone would be recognized by more people than anyone else at that particular moment in history (though there might be ties). In practise, such a study would probably be impossible to do with enough accuracy to know what the answer is.
A few guesses:

Political: Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Gandhi, Mao, Reagan, Bush, Hussein, Bin Laden
Arts, Literature, and Entertainment: Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Mozart, Beethoven, Vincent Van Gogh, Agatha Christie, the Beatles, Bob Marley, Stephen King, Michael Jackson, Madonna, various Hollywood, Bollywood, and TV stars
Philosophy and Science: Socrates, Plato, Galileo, Newton, Nietzsche, Einstein

You said "no religious folks", but they still count as people, don't they? If so, throw Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Pope John Paul II, the Dalai Lama, and a few others into the mix.

I'm still curious as to what criteria led you to choose Haydn.

[ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: Mike Keenan ]


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posted 12 June 2004 12:08 AM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Elvis.
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posted 12 June 2004 12:34 AM      Profile for Durango     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Famous means anything you want.

Baseball Nolan Ryan
Art Picasso
Music Mozart/
Medicine This one is interesting. I say Salk but there are many.

One person that maxed out and strides several generations to help man.

Elvis died too young.Good thinking.

I will try to post Haydn but I am glad you have heard of him. Most Americans have not.I will read each post carefully. CU


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posted 12 June 2004 12:36 AM      Profile for minimal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm alright with Haydn. And Elvis. And Bill Monroe. And Stan Rogers. But don't try to explain why, especially with Haydn. Haydn's my hero. And did I mention Hank Williams?
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posted 12 June 2004 01:44 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mao, or Genghiz Khan.

How about K'ung-fu-tzu?


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posted 12 June 2004 02:17 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:

Political: Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Gandhi, Mao, Reagan, Bush, Hussein, Bin Laden

Don't forget Marx and Stalin.


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posted 12 June 2004 02:21 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cristopher Columbus
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posted 12 June 2004 03:33 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At first I thought it had to be either Elvis or Hitler, but then it came to me: Mohammad Ali. He's the world's most famouse person, of that I'm sure.
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posted 12 June 2004 03:37 AM      Profile for The Oatmeal Savage   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ya beat me to the punch. I remember reading somewhere that at one time Ali was the most recognized person in the world. Makes sense after the Rumble In The Jungle and the Thrilla In Manila.
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posted 12 June 2004 03:42 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Famous means anything you want.

In that case, every word means anything anyone wants; no word has a definition and language has no meaning, so we might as well just hum.

Therefore: John Doe.


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posted 12 June 2004 03:58 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In 1976 when I was four, I picked up a card-board cut-out and crayoned likeness of Mohammad Ali from my street. It was something a kid in grade three might have made. Of course I instantly recognized Ali, which is something, if you consider the way most kids that age draw. But then I come from a boxing family of sorts, my father being close to Yvon Durelle; training, sparring, havoc...
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posted 12 June 2004 08:03 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:

Don't forget Marx and Stalin.


Well, Stalin should probably go on the list. Marx should maybe go on the philosophers' list.


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posted 12 June 2004 02:51 PM      Profile for Durango     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I defined what famous means to me. Coming up with John Doe and Ali means this is not a right brain group.

I was unaware this was a Canadian BB. Being born in Canada does not make me Canadian.

The responses to this post are stupid and silly. Just a few gave it a try, Mike Keenan was on the right track.

I am going to pass on this BB and leave.


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posted 12 June 2004 03:02 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, somebody thinks he got his 15 minutes worth. Back to obscurity, then.
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Much as I love all the great musicians of the period, each of whom has a good claim, there simply is no question that Voltaire was the most famous personnage of the C18 throughout Europe.

PS: It was harder to be famous then. Believe it or not: no TV!


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posted 12 June 2004 03:12 PM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, that would be all well and good if Europe was all that counted.
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posted 12 June 2004 03:15 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dr Mr, I couldn't agree more, but so much of the earlier part of the thread seemed so C18 European, so I thought that I should pipe up.

But I take your point, and I will support your Elvis bid for current times.


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posted 12 June 2004 03:17 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read somewhere that it was Mickey Mouse, but I'm rebelling against that notion.

Chances are it's currently George Bush.


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posted 12 June 2004 03:20 PM      Profile for minimal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I just won't let it pass to be called "stupid and silly". Not both of those fine qualities anyway. Let me propose that the question itself is "stupid and silly" and rates no more than a "stupid and silly" response. Perhaps it may be better to ask for a set of names of really famous musicians, or philosophers, or world leaders, etc. And even then we can break these down to other subsets of famous people. For example, who was the most famous rock n' roll musician, or maybe who was the most famous rock n'roll musician of the fifties. Or, who was the most famous dictator of the 20th century?

Besides, not every one of us thinks that it is only world leaders or politicians or philosophers who are the most important people who deserve to be on the "wall of fame". So really, what is wrong with me saying that Haydn or Bill Monroe or Hank Williams is the most famous? No more wrong than you saying Voltaire, or Marx or whoever. After all, music uplifts the human spirit and gives us some insight into life in general.


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posted 12 June 2004 03:23 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
minimal, honey -- but yes.

I don't know why Durango did that flounce, but I'm sure that everyone else here agrees with you.

xoxox

[ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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posted 12 June 2004 03:47 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
May i infer that you are using it in the second sense?

[Editor's note] My, how I love it when someone uses the word "infer" correctly.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sharon:
[Editor's note] My, how I love it when someone uses the word "infer" correctly.

Are you implying that some of us don't know our inferences from our elbows? Or should I infer that you were implying something else?


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quote:
Are you implying that some of us don't know our inferences from our elbows? Or should I infer that you were implying something else?

Beautiful. You make my day.


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posted 12 June 2004 04:05 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sharon:
You make my day.

Is that a pun?

Since this thread has irretrievably drifted (especially since the only potential retriever has wagged off):

I'm going to build a puny shed
In which to hide my punnish head
And there I shall be pun/i/shed
For every little pun I shed.


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posted 12 June 2004 04:38 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Durango:
I am going to pass on this BB and leave.

I think poor baby hasn't got his hemispheres figured out, and has a bit of a control issue (no religious for example).

Hope his butt didn't get too badly bruised by the door on his way out.


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Don't worry. Around here, most people who flounce out, end up flouncing out several times. Just so everyone else gets the point, you understand.
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quote:
by 'lance -- flounce out

Thank you 'lance.... I have a new favorite word. From now on I'm going to flounce.


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quote:
Originally posted by Durango:

The responses to this post are stupid and silly. Just a few gave it a try, Mike Keenan was on the right track.

Uh oh. Durango says I'm on the right track. What does that say about me?


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How can Haydn be the most famous person ever if I've never heard of him? I mean, I'm a part of his culture and everything. What are chances that people in China know who he is?

According to a study I read long ago, Mickey Mouse is in fact the most famous figure in the world, and given that there are so many more people now than there ever has been, it would indicate that he is the most famous ever. Apparently, there are people on the planet who have never heard of Jesus Christ, but can recognise Mickey. Superman is way up there too, which goes to show that icons will always reach more minds than real people could. To acheive real fame, a person has to be transformed into an icon, like Jesus, Gandhi, Elvis, Marilyn, etc. Is there any trace of the real people left in the mythology that has been built up around them?


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i think the 2 most recognizable figures in the world are muhammad ali and che guevara. u have to understand in most third world societies che has risen into a mythological figure for his martyrdom at the hands of US backed mercenaries. plus, what makes him an ubiquitously transcendent individual is that he's a secular figure not isolated to an ethnic or religious persuasion. And ali is ali, next time u see picture of him look at his eyes and u’ll see something special.
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quote:
According to a study I read long ago, Mickey Mouse is in fact the most famous figure in the world, and given that there are so many more people now than there ever has been, it would indicate that he is the most famous ever.

Sure. But the question specifies person. Mickey Mouse is definitely more famous than the stop sign, though.

[ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: flotsom ]


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quote:
Sure. But the question specifies person. Mickey Mouse is definitely more famous than the stop sign, though.

But is he more famous than a Coke bottle.


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I would think so.
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Now coke bottles and stop signs are probably equally recognizable. Can't really have one without the other.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jacob Two-Two:
How can Haydn be the most famous person ever if I've never heard of him? I mean, I'm a part of his culture and everything. What are chances that people in China know who he is?

I was just thinking that someone who is as relatively little known as Bethune may be just as famous as many people being trotted out in the thread are because he is famous in China.

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I was thinking just that myself, Dr Mister, but I was thinking of Vinoba Bhave of India. As famous as Gandhi is in India, he is an obscurity outside of India.
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How is Gandhi obscure outside of India? Everybody knows about Gandhi. This Vinoba Bhave, however, I've never heard of before.

[ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: Soar ]


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What are you, some kind of clown?

My statement was clear. Vinobe Bhave: In India as famous as Gandhi. Outside of India an obscurity.

And it's Gandhi not Ghandi.


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Yer reading him bass-ackwards, Soar.

[ed. I must be on a three-minute time delay]

G'day flotto. If the weather here remains as it's been the last coupla weeks, I'll be able to float my barge from the front yard to chez toi.

[ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: al-Qa'bong ]


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quote:
...I was thinking of Vinoba Bhave of India. As famous as Gandhi is in India, he is an obscurity outside of India.
Awkward grammar. Had to scan it again myself. Bad grammar, bad spelling--pot, kettle.

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...I was thinking of Vinoba Bhave of India: [He is] as famous as Gandhi is in India, he is an obscurity outside of India.

Does that make things any easier for you?


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Hello Mr Bong.

Though, mushrooms are nice in a sauce.


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Where did Durango? Is he Haydn?

Don't leave us! We desperately require Your Cleverness to complete us!


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Feh!!

Something tells me this is not Durango's first flounce.


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posted 12 June 2004 11:52 PM      Profile for Baldfresh   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Santa Claus?
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Thank you, the rephrasing makes the sentence say what you intend. When Gandhi is the subject of the sentence, saying 'he' refers to Gandhi.
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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Where did Durango? Is he Haydn?


Boo! Attacks on a person's Handel are so lame.

Maybe he found babble too Straussful, and so left. As 'lance said though, these flouncers usually come Bach to flounce again.


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Ah the flouncer's life is difficult. Mozart is like that, the flouncer's no less. Watch this thread unRavel.
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This doesn't really Mahler, in the great scheme of things, but I don't think flouncers should be Litolff so easily. We've seen too many of them. The Liszt is long. Nevertheless, a Falla like Durango is here on Borodin time, so it isn't worth our while to tell him to bugger Orff.

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You guys were just Messiaen around last night, eh?
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posted 13 June 2004 09:29 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl, I can't Handel your puns.
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steffie, I am Humboldt.

(I don't know that there is a composer named Humboldt, but there should be.)


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I shudder to think what those inveterate punsters in Britten would do with this thread.
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posted 13 June 2004 01:12 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My, you were Bizet last night, Mr. Bong.

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As 'lance said though, these flouncers usually come Bach to flounce again.

I think this one's committed Satie. Or maybe he's just feeling Sor. There's no nice way to Telemann to "Fux that Schütz!"


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posted 13 June 2004 01:19 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A person could Weill away several hours with this game.

Me, I'll be back as soon as I Wolf down my breakfast.


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posted 13 June 2004 01:31 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Take your time, 'lance. We'll Holst a place for you.
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posted 13 June 2004 01:34 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno, skdadl. That Planets suite makes me break out in Ives.
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posted 13 June 2004 01:37 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These puns are pure Gould!
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posted 13 June 2004 01:40 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll raise a Glass to that, oldgoat.
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posted 13 June 2004 01:44 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course too many could get Borodin.
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posted 13 June 2004 01:48 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm surprised audra hasn't Axt this drift yet.
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posted 13 June 2004 01:49 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, she'd be within her rights to come in and Zappa this thread.

(psst, oldgoat... repetition!)

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Repetition? Must have missed that. I'm Scarlotti with embarresment.
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This thread has become too silly. I'll be Bach when everyone comes to their senses.
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Well, whenever you return, there'll be no Bloch in your way.
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'lance, Debussy any good new flicks this weekend?
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No skdadl, on account of other commitments I wasn't Abel to get out to the movies.
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with the internationalization of english-language pop/rock music, i would think people like brittney spears and madonna are among the most famous of all time.
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I don't know Webber or not I've told you Mennin women, but you all bring me great enjoyment.
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posted 13 June 2004 03:43 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
with the internationalization of english-language pop/rock music, i would think people like brittney spears and madonna are among the most famous of all time.

Remember that news conference that started all that fuss, with the record-burnings in the deep South and whatnot? Madonna having to explain that she didn't think she was "better" than Jesus Christ, but that she "breastfed" Jesus Christ?

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Remember that news conference that started all that fuss, with the record-burnings in the deep South and whatnot? Madonna having to explain that she didn't think she was "better" than Jesus Christ, but that she "breastfed" Jesus Christ?

Didn't quell the rumours that she'd had plastic surgery after he was weaned, though.


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posted 13 June 2004 03:48 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You guys sure that was Madonna and not John Lennon?
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posted 13 June 2004 03:54 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[blatant trolling edited]

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Aw...no more Verdi num-nums?
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Looking for some kind of pun Cage match, rasmus?
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Now, now. Boyce Schumann fight.
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Is this Gershwin on your nerves yet?
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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
You guys sure that was Madonna and not John Lennon?

*cough cough cough*

Didn't think that one would Segovia head!


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Suri I missed the pun thread. Lately I've been so Bizet. It's not that I don't Kehr.
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posted 13 June 2004 06:33 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Never too late to enter the Field, flotsom.
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posted 13 June 2004 10:34 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yup, no big Delius
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(Confession time: I've been bluffing through most of this -- cribbing from this list, that's to say).
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Oh 'lance. I'm shocked. Oh the shame...


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Yeah, oldgoat -- like your CD collection is crammed with Delius and Borodin...
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posted 13 June 2004 11:22 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably about 90% of my music collection, such as it is, is "classical". I have Borodin on vinyl. I don't own any Delius because I don't much care for his music, but I know a bit about him.

With a couple of exceptions, you used 20th century composers, so I just thought it was the area you liked. Able and Field, were early classical, and pretty obscure. I know a bit about John Field, but I'd not heard of Able until I just now looked him up. That's a good site BTW, thanks.

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posted 13 June 2004 11:55 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Probably about 90% of my music collection, such as it is, is "classical". I have Borodin on vinyl. I don't own any Delius because I don't much care for his music, but I know a bit about him.

Ewps. Well, I hope you'll forgive my snarkiness.

In truth I've been broadening my musical horizons a bit lately, but listening to more jazz than classical. Still, skdadl mentioned Olivier Messiaen, who I just discovered by way of a New Yorker article. He wrote some marvellous stuff. And I do like Benjamin Britten and Kurt Weill.


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Ha! When Skdadl made a pun about Messiaen, it was following a Handel pun, and I thought she referred to the Messiah.

While I can appreciate the virtuosity, I never really developed an ear for Jazz, Hopefully it's not too late. Maybe someday it will make a good retirement project along with taking up painting.


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One thing about jazz is, some of the fans and critics -- and some of the musicians, of course -- get so wrapped up in the virtuosity that listening to them talk, you get the sense that the music is an almost purely intellectual exercise. The idea that someone could get pleasure from listening gets buried. Very annoying.

Then of course there's that soulless hyper-speed jazz-guitar wankery that someone I used to know referred to as "weedla-jazz." Onomatopoeia, you might say (provided you take your hat off first, it being a Sunday-type word). The ECM label seems to be home to a lot of this stuff.

But past all that there's still lots of great stuff to sample. Kind of Blue by Miles Davis is always a good place to start.

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quote:
Onomatopoeia

So that's how you spell that!

Probably a bluesy kind of jazz would be a good entry point for me. Don't know a lot about it, but I enjoy where rock meets blues, like the Allman Brothers, and Stevie-Ray.


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So that's how you spell that!

My first guess wasn't quite right. Fortunately, Merriam-Webster's online dictionary offers you a bunch of alternatives, if you're halfway close to begin with.


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Never too late to enter the Field, flotsom.

You are quite Wright, of course, 'lance. There was never any Damrosch.


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Um, is this a pun in reference to Walter or Leopold Damrosch?
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Why Leopold of course.
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Indeed, how esoteric of you. I always thought that Walter's career eclipsed that of his father. They were much like Dominico and Allesandro Scarlotti in that regard.
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You know Leopold Damrosch's Symphony in A Major?
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OK, I'm BS'ing. Never heard of the Damrosch's until I googled them two minutes ago.
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Ha!

Check yer PM's.


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I was doing worse than BSing with Humboldt back there -- I just plain made him up.

But my Humboldt has been working on my mind ever since. I dreamed of him last night. I think that I am going to make up an entire biography for him, so that others may share in the enjoyment.


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I like Rachmaninoff of this classical stuff!
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Godunov!
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an initial "W." But who knows (or cares) what this (in)famous initial stands for?
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Alexander von Humboldt was a famous geographer and explorer. The Humboldt glacier is named after him, at least one university, and several towns.
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Does that mean that we can now expand our pun-source range to glaciers, universities, and towns? That would certainly permit this thread to become more Alert.
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I guess we could chill out for a bit.
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Chilliwacked.
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I think that I am going to make up an entire biography for him, so that others may share in the enjoyment.

Well, there was that famous duet he did with P.D.Q. Bach.


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P.D.Q. Bach. Absolutely, without a doubt, my favourite composer!
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Based all his work on a very simple, never-fail principle: plagiarism.

Great musical judgement, though:

quote:
...as a teenager he did assist in the construction of the loudest instrument ever created, the pandemonium, but he wisely skipped town before the instrument’s completion, having sensed with uncanny accuracy, that the Pavilion of Glass was perhaps not the most felicitous location for the inaugural concert.

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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I like Rachmaninoff of this classical stuff!


Check out
Rachbottomoff by Pansy Division.


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I recall that while it was never properly documented, his dance music suggests that he had one leg shorter than the other.
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Actually, I do have somewhere a lovely fictional biography of a C18 personality of some kind, utterly made up by someone who is a serious Mozart biographer as well.

By C18 personality, I mean someone like Casanova.

I could tell you more about it if only I had unpacked my books. I know which room it's in; I just don't know which box.


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Wolfgang Hildesheimer. Marbot.

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He became famous in English-speaking countries with his unconventional biography Mozart (1977), which portrays Mozart as a kind of absurdist; his next book, Marbot, a fictional biography, is about an English nobleman of the early nineteenth century who is purported to have met and spoken with Goethe, Byron, the German Romantic poet Platen, Leopardi, and other luminaries of the period: Marbot has recently attracted considerable critical attention on both sides of the Atlantic, and Stanley provides illuminating discussions of the critical controversy surrounding the problematic relationship of author and subject. She also shows that Hildesheimer has close links to some of the great European writers of the age, such as Ionesco, but that henevertheless, in the later works, owes much to Goethe and Thomas Mann.

Well, C18, the Romantics ... big diff.


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Well, while you're looking, skdadl, the rest of us can listen to an excerpt from the P.D.Q. Bach/Peter Schickele oeuvre, thanks to the wonders of modern technology:

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Listen to P.D.Q. Bach On The Air: The Hearer’s Digest Condensed Version. This Condensed Version gives you the intangible essence of the original recording in one small, easy-to-swallow capsule summary. The hyper folks at Hearer’s Digest have created this sample by slicing, dicing, and splicing, until it somewhat resembles excerpts of the original recording that are “severely truncated, but shorter.”

This Hearer’s Digest Condensed Version is made of excerpts from the following: New Horizons in Music Appreciation—Intro to Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments—“Do you Suffer?”—Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments—Intro to Fugue in C Minor—Presto Hey Nonny Nonnio from Schleptet in E flat Major—Weather—News—“If You Have Never”—Traumarai for Unaccompanied Piano.


RealAudio link


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Well, shut my mouth. While I can't find my Marbot, I do have the vinyl unpacked, and here among the dusty sleeves is P.D.Q. Bach: An Hysteric Return.

[Ed. note: I would dispute that "An." ]

And I have a vague memory of some of these classics: Oratorio -- "The Seasonings"; The "Unbegun" Symphony; and Pervertimento for Bagpipes, Bicycle, and Balloons, S. 66.

I've just put side one, "The Seasonings," on, and am basking in fond memories of the several duets: "Bide thy thyme," "Summer is a cumin seed," and of course the rousing concluding chorus, "To curry favor, favor curry."


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I can't believe it took so long for this thread to get around to PDQ Bach.
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'lance, were you aware that it was P.D.Q. who invented that organ-pedal technique known as the Tootsie Roll?

So soon we forget, no?


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oldgoat
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posted 14 June 2004 01:23 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The great man himself


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'lance
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posted 14 June 2004 01:26 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
'lance, were you aware that it was P.D.Q. who invented that organ-pedal technique known as the Tootsie Roll?

I was not. But as Prof. Schikele reminds us:

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This most mini musical life has been divided into three creative periods: the Initial Plunge, the Soused Period, and Contrition. The middle period was by far the longest of the three, and was characterized by a multiplicity of contrapuntal lines and a greater richness of harmony due to almost constant double vision. It was during this period that he emulated (i.e., stole from) the music of Haydn and Mozart, but his pathetic attempts to be au courant were no more successful than his pathetic attempts to be passé had been during the Initial Plunge; having to cope with the problems that accompany immense popularity was something P.D.Q. Bach managed to avoid. It has been said that the only original places in his music are those places where he forgot what he was stealing.

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skdadl
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posted 14 June 2004 01:29 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am so sorry, so deeply deeply sorry, that Michelle was not here to hear the bagpipes cutting in on Romanze 1 and Romanze 11 of the Pervertimento.

I mean, I am sorry.

But excuse me -- the Presto Changio is just starting.


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skdadl
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posted 14 June 2004 01:40 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Ode to Joy and De Camptown Races! Of course. Why did I never see this before?
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Raos
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Hehehe, I love P.D.Q. Bach. I have three of the P.D.Q cd's!
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