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Topic: The most famous person in the World is/was
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Agent 204
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posted 12 June 2004 12:04 AM
Well, probably there is a "right answer" in that theoretically, if you could poll the entire planet in a short period of time and list every person, past or present, that could conceivably be called a celebrity, someone would be recognized by more people than anyone else at that particular moment in history (though there might be ties). In practise, such a study would probably be impossible to do with enough accuracy to know what the answer is. A few guesses:Political: Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Gandhi, Mao, Reagan, Bush, Hussein, Bin Laden Arts, Literature, and Entertainment: Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Mozart, Beethoven, Vincent Van Gogh, Agatha Christie, the Beatles, Bob Marley, Stephen King, Michael Jackson, Madonna, various Hollywood, Bollywood, and TV stars Philosophy and Science: Socrates, Plato, Galileo, Newton, Nietzsche, Einstein You said "no religious folks", but they still count as people, don't they? If so, throw Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Pope John Paul II, the Dalai Lama, and a few others into the mix. I'm still curious as to what criteria led you to choose Haydn. [ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: Mike Keenan ]
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Durango
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posted 12 June 2004 12:34 AM
Famous means anything you want.Baseball Nolan Ryan Art Picasso Music Mozart/ Medicine This one is interesting. I say Salk but there are many. One person that maxed out and strides several generations to help man. Elvis died too young.Good thinking. I will try to post Haydn but I am glad you have heard of him. Most Americans have not.I will read each post carefully. CU
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Durango
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posted 12 June 2004 02:51 PM
I defined what famous means to me. Coming up with John Doe and Ali means this is not a right brain group.I was unaware this was a Canadian BB. Being born in Canada does not make me Canadian. The responses to this post are stupid and silly. Just a few gave it a try, Mike Keenan was on the right track. I am going to pass on this BB and leave.
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minimal
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posted 12 June 2004 03:20 PM
Well, I just won't let it pass to be called "stupid and silly". Not both of those fine qualities anyway. Let me propose that the question itself is "stupid and silly" and rates no more than a "stupid and silly" response. Perhaps it may be better to ask for a set of names of really famous musicians, or philosophers, or world leaders, etc. And even then we can break these down to other subsets of famous people. For example, who was the most famous rock n' roll musician, or maybe who was the most famous rock n'roll musician of the fifties. Or, who was the most famous dictator of the 20th century? Besides, not every one of us thinks that it is only world leaders or politicians or philosophers who are the most important people who deserve to be on the "wall of fame". So really, what is wrong with me saying that Haydn or Bill Monroe or Hank Williams is the most famous? No more wrong than you saying Voltaire, or Marx or whoever. After all, music uplifts the human spirit and gives us some insight into life in general.
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skdadl
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posted 12 June 2004 03:23 PM
minimal, honey -- but yes. I don't know why Durango did that flounce, but I'm sure that everyone else here agrees with you. xoxox [ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: skdadl ]
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Wilf Day
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posted 12 June 2004 04:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Sharon: You make my day.
Is that a pun? Since this thread has irretrievably drifted (especially since the only potential retriever has wagged off): I'm going to build a puny shed In which to hide my punnish head And there I shall be pun/i/shed For every little pun I shed.
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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 12 June 2004 05:28 PM
How can Haydn be the most famous person ever if I've never heard of him? I mean, I'm a part of his culture and everything. What are chances that people in China know who he is?According to a study I read long ago, Mickey Mouse is in fact the most famous figure in the world, and given that there are so many more people now than there ever has been, it would indicate that he is the most famous ever. Apparently, there are people on the planet who have never heard of Jesus Christ, but can recognise Mickey. Superman is way up there too, which goes to show that icons will always reach more minds than real people could. To acheive real fame, a person has to be transformed into an icon, like Jesus, Gandhi, Elvis, Marilyn, etc. Is there any trace of the real people left in the mythology that has been built up around them?
From: There is but one Gord and Moolah is his profit | Registered: Jan 2002
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 12 June 2004 07:44 PM
Yer reading him bass-ackwards, Soar.[ed. I must be on a three-minute time delay] G'day flotto. If the weather here remains as it's been the last coupla weeks, I'll be able to float my barge from the front yard to chez toi. [ 12 June 2004: Message edited by: al-Qa'bong ]
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 13 June 2004 03:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by rasmus raven: Where did Durango? Is he Haydn?
Boo! Attacks on a person's Handel are so lame. Maybe he found babble too Straussful, and so left. As 'lance said though, these flouncers usually come Bach to flounce again.
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'lance
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posted 14 June 2004 12:12 AM
One thing about jazz is, some of the fans and critics -- and some of the musicians, of course -- get so wrapped up in the virtuosity that listening to them talk, you get the sense that the music is an almost purely intellectual exercise. The idea that someone could get pleasure from listening gets buried. Very annoying.Then of course there's that soulless hyper-speed jazz-guitar wankery that someone I used to know referred to as "weedla-jazz." Onomatopoeia, you might say (provided you take your hat off first, it being a Sunday-type word). The ECM label seems to be home to a lot of this stuff. But past all that there's still lots of great stuff to sample. Kind of Blue by Miles Davis is always a good place to start. [ 14 June 2004: Message edited by: 'lance ]
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'lance
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posted 14 June 2004 11:44 AM
Based all his work on a very simple, never-fail principle: plagiarism.Great musical judgement, though: quote: ...as a teenager he did assist in the construction of the loudest instrument ever created, the pandemonium, but he wisely skipped town before the instrument’s completion, having sensed with uncanny accuracy, that the Pavilion of Glass was perhaps not the most felicitous location for the inaugural concert.
[ 14 June 2004: Message edited by: 'lance ]
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skdadl
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posted 14 June 2004 12:17 PM
Wolfgang Hildesheimer. Marbot. quote: He became famous in English-speaking countries with his unconventional biography Mozart (1977), which portrays Mozart as a kind of absurdist; his next book, Marbot, a fictional biography, is about an English nobleman of the early nineteenth century who is purported to have met and spoken with Goethe, Byron, the German Romantic poet Platen, Leopardi, and other luminaries of the period: Marbot has recently attracted considerable critical attention on both sides of the Atlantic, and Stanley provides illuminating discussions of the critical controversy surrounding the problematic relationship of author and subject. She also shows that Hildesheimer has close links to some of the great European writers of the age, such as Ionesco, but that henevertheless, in the later works, owes much to Goethe and Thomas Mann.
Well, C18, the Romantics ... big diff.
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'lance
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posted 14 June 2004 12:18 PM
Well, while you're looking, skdadl, the rest of us can listen to an excerpt from the P.D.Q. Bach/Peter Schickele oeuvre, thanks to the wonders of modern technology: quote: Listen to P.D.Q. Bach On The Air: The Hearer’s Digest Condensed Version. This Condensed Version gives you the intangible essence of the original recording in one small, easy-to-swallow capsule summary. The hyper folks at Hearer’s Digest have created this sample by slicing, dicing, and splicing, until it somewhat resembles excerpts of the original recording that are “severely truncated, but shorter.”This Hearer’s Digest Condensed Version is made of excerpts from the following: New Horizons in Music Appreciation—Intro to Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments—“Do you Suffer?”—Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments—Intro to Fugue in C Minor—Presto Hey Nonny Nonnio from Schleptet in E flat Major—Weather—News—“If You Have Never”—Traumarai for Unaccompanied Piano.
RealAudio link
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skdadl
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posted 14 June 2004 01:11 PM
Well, shut my mouth. While I can't find my Marbot, I do have the vinyl unpacked, and here among the dusty sleeves is P.D.Q. Bach: An Hysteric Return. [Ed. note: I would dispute that "An." ] And I have a vague memory of some of these classics: Oratorio -- "The Seasonings"; The "Unbegun" Symphony; and Pervertimento for Bagpipes, Bicycle, and Balloons, S. 66. I've just put side one, "The Seasonings," on, and am basking in fond memories of the several duets: "Bide thy thyme," "Summer is a cumin seed," and of course the rousing concluding chorus, "To curry favor, favor curry."
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