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Justice
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posted 30 May 2003 11:20 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Competition act

PART VI
OFFENCES IN RELATION TO COMPETITION

quote:
45. (1) Every one who conspires, combines, agrees or arranges with another person

(a) to limit unduly the facilities for transporting, producing, manufacturing, supplying, storing or dealing in any product,

(b) to prevent, limit or lessen, unduly, the manufacture or production of a product or to enhance unreasonably the price thereof,

(c) to prevent or lessen, unduly, competition in the production, manufacture, purchase, barter, sale, storage, rental, transportation or supply of a product, or in the price of insurance on persons or property, or

(d) to otherwise restrain or injure competition unduly,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to a fine not exceeding ten million dollars or to both.


How is it that oil prices across Canada are all more or less the same? Can't we discourage this kind of competitions? I believe if we can manage to break up these axis's of evil we could destabilize gas prices and cause them to fluctuate preferably to inflate so as to discourage people from using petroleum and other crude oil products and encourage them to use natural cleaner renewable resources that are safer for our environment and won't need to kill people with wars to tap these resources.

A government is suppose to protect it's citizens if we can prove that Oil has more harmful affects to Canadian citizens not only environmentally but economically perhaps we could encourage legislator to be enforce or improved in order to protect us from the harm of cured oil.

And hopefully just hope we could start a trend that would spread across the globe

P.S. I'm sure there is many things we could us in Canadian to help us we have to research carefully and then make a class action against the Canadian oil companies we should have faith and work with are judicial system go with the flow and get them to work for us not protest them and intimidate them all the time the law isn't the enemy it's the rich who think they are above

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Cougyr
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posted 31 May 2003 06:32 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"How is it that oil prices across Canada are all more or less the same?"
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One of the tv stations did a number on this a few years back. They compared Canadian gas prices with US gas prices in comparable cities. All but one of the US gas stations were cheaper than their Canadian counterpart. The explanation given at that time was that most US gas stations are independantly owned, while most Canadian gas stations are owned by oil companies. Thus the oil companies can set prices.

Yes, I'd like to see better use of resources, too. I really think we need better urban, and suburban, planning. The trend is to more sprawl and greater commuting distances. One has to drive much too far to work, play or shop. And since shopping malls are way out, one has to have a large vehicle to haul stuff. It becomes a cycle of waste.

I used to live two days drive north of Vancouver in a remote small town. Now that we are in the Lower Mainland, we have easily quadrupled our driving. It's nuts.


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sophrosyne
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posted 01 June 2003 12:03 PM      Profile for sophrosyne     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a couple of cool sites for you to take a look at:

Alternative Fuels Data Center
http://www.afdc.doe.gov/

National Biodiesel Board
http://www.biodiesel.org/


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Justice
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posted 01 June 2003 12:52 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
sophrosyne

I know the fuel and technology exist they probably have for many years.

But business men are slow to change. I believe there are laws that exist that need to be enforced to promote these changes. Or we could make new ones all you have to do is that it's for the over all good of society and start with are own back yard, our own governments. It's time to get the snow ball rolling. Change from the inside don't be left out in the cold protesting a war there a better more efficient was to stop it yet patients and hard work are needed. There are many more wars ahead that we can prevent by moving to alternative fuels.


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Cougyr
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posted 01 June 2003 02:08 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you know that the first speeding ticket and the first automobile fatality were in New York City, and both involved electric cars? In the early years, electric and steam cars were as common as gas [That's back when most people used horses and automobiles were the playthings of the rich.] The ascendency of gasoline powered cars had mostly to do with an already established distribution system; which already sold petroleum products for heating, etc. Electricity was out marketed as a source of power.

If electric cars had had 100 years of development, they would perform very well. Batteries would provide longer range and would be lighter. And these cars would be much, much cheaper. The reason this hasn't happened is due to the vested interests of manufacturers and the oil industry.


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Justice
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posted 01 June 2003 02:30 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So if you destabilize the oil supply through legislation. You encourage these things to developed and be implemented at a much faster pace.
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posted 01 June 2003 03:00 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You'll also hurt a lot of people who can't afford it.

The people who got whacked the most in 1973 and 1979 weren't rich people who filled up their gas hogs blithely unaware of the large runups in oil prices - it was the working stiffs who had to get to their jobs on time and couldn't just all magically run out and trade in their old heaps for new, smaller cars.

Now, a more sensible strategy would be to change things at what economists call "the margin". If you increase the price of gasoline a little at a time, every increase means an increment of people will choose to bypass cars in favor of public transit or electric vehicles or whatever. Europe's strategy has been along these lines and as a result cities in Europe are high-density and amenable to walkers rather than drivers.


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sophrosyne
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posted 01 June 2003 04:24 PM      Profile for sophrosyne     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're preaching to the converted on this one, Justice.

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as a result cities in Europe are high-density and amenable to walkers rather than drivers.

I don't know about that DrConway. I thought that European pedestrians cross the continent crossed the road at their peril. At least so was my personal observation during my last visit.

I strongly believe we should be more strongly encouraging people to switch to renewable fuel technologies.


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DrConway
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posted 01 June 2003 05:35 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I'm no expert on Europe; lagatta and Trespasser are, and they'll sing its praises to the end of the earth.
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Eauz
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posted 02 June 2003 09:47 PM      Profile for Eauz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If you increase the price of gasoline a little at a time, every increase means an increment of people will choose to bypass cars in favor of public transit or electric vehicles or whatever. Europe's strategy has been along these lines and as a result cities in Europe are high-density and amenable to walkers rather than drivers.

Yeh, but also look at the North American way. In Europe (when I was living there 2001-2002), things are "Closer" than than in North America. Populations are closer, and even living in the countryside, is not really that far out of town. What the North Americans need to do, is improve Public Transit in many cities, including small ones. But before we can do that, we must have an area where the buses will go out to, to reach the maximum amount of people. Bus Companies will not be happy if they had to go out of their way to reach a very unpopulated area of the region. In Belgium, I could take a bus from my city to a city which was like 20-30 min by car. Reason for this...? There are more people living close together, even in the rural areas of Europe. An increase in prices is Not going to help much, for people living in the Rural parts of canada, because for them, the car is the ONLY way of transportation, even if they would prefere to take Public Transit.

When I came back from Belgium, I was hoping to have an equally as good a bus transit system in Canada as in Belgium. Well to my suprise, I live 15 min by car from Fredericton, and there is NOT one single bus that goes by. I have to drive in 5-10km just to reach the FIRST bus stop, and I think to myself, I've made it this far already by car, why not go the last 5 min into town on my own terms.


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