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Gir Draxon
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posted 23 May 2004 07:39 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The ad was supposed to say it all simply: "We believe in Mom and Dad. We Believe in Marriage."

But in fact, the ad left a lot unsaid, and left out a lot of people.

The ad in question has recently appeared in a variety of Canadian daily and weekly newspapers, and also runs as a radio commercial. It is part of a media campaign sponsored by the organization Focus on the Family...


Article by Jackie Harper

[ 23 May 2004: Message edited by: Gir Draxon ]


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posted 23 May 2004 10:06 PM      Profile for Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice to know not all Harpers are disgusting bigoted pieces of shit.
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posted 23 May 2004 10:11 PM      Profile for scribblet        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie:
Nice to know not all Harpers are disgusting bigoted pieces of shit.

Judging from that little piece of writing I'd say people in glass houses...


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posted 23 May 2004 10:35 PM      Profile for Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why Scribblet?

Are you one of those idiots who actually thinks it's bigoted to not accept bigotry?

Harper is a bigoted piece of shit, who has proven it time and time again. Saying so is not bigotry, it's called HONESTY.

Something you're not even remotely acquainted with.


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Gir Draxon
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posted 23 May 2004 11:19 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Newbie, you missed the point. Jackie Harper points out that compassion is a two-way street. It calls upon the Christians like Focus on the Family types to love everyone. But it also calls upon us (social liberals and social progressives) to honor the traditional family as a valuable and essential institution in our society; and that we also must reach out to the FOTF types with some compassion on our own. Your attitude towards social conservatives is not going to win anybody over, n00b. Telling so-cons that they are sub-human pieces of shit will not make them more willing to see the truth, rather it will probably more deeply entrench their existing beliefs.

Loving everyone means loving those who hate you. That is what Jesus was trying to teach us to do. And that is why I completely agree with the author of this article.

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posted 24 May 2004 11:02 AM      Profile for Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not a Christian and have as much compassion for the filth in your party as I do for a bunch of murderers and rapists. I'm as interested in your brand of religion as that of any of those fucking bible-thumping bastards.

You want to sell your bloody compassion, sell it the scum you hang out with and fuck off.

You are knowingly and deliberately trying to put those vermin in power. Morally you are not even a tiny little bit better than Larry Spencer -- you are trying to put a bigoted anti-gay government in power and for all your Christly compassion, gay people will suffer legalized discrimination if the government you are trying your utmost to elect gains power. Indeed, since you claim to know better, you are morally far, far worse than even the most bigoted Alliance MP.

You are in no position to lecture ANYONE on morality or compassion, because despite the way you lie to yourself, you have none.

There is no place for decent, moral people in the Conservative Party. None. You are in the Conservative Party. You are either cynically opportunistic or stupidly naive.

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skdadl
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posted 24 May 2004 11:36 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Focus on the Family -- I thought that was the nickname for the USian military unit that bops around rural Iraq visiting wedding parties -- no?

There was an amusing letter in the Grope and Flail responding to the FoF ad. A guy wrote in asking for more info about the cute model who is playing the dad in the photo.


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Michelle
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posted 24 May 2004 11:39 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha! Now THAT'S funny.
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Hinterland
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posted 24 May 2004 11:42 AM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You don't know how many times I've started writing a flippant post about how Mr. Dad in the FoF ads makes me think impure thoughts and that I really should send a request to FoF to get an emergency "Love Won Out"-mobile over to my house stat...with "the Dad" as the only intervenor I'd speak with. I never posted them, though, because I didn't want to come off lecherous.

*slobber*


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skdadl
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posted 24 May 2004 11:50 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now, Hinterland: you just cross your legs and think of BWAGA.
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Michelle
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posted 24 May 2004 11:53 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or your WIFE.

she said peevishly.

(Although, skdadl, it seems to me that part of the joy of being in BWAGA is unrequited lustful crushes on pretty boys in movies, magazines, and advertisements, no?)


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skdadl
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posted 24 May 2004 11:56 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm in it for the power.

And the money, of course.


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steffie
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posted 24 May 2004 06:31 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Rather than focusing solely on the form of family, do we not also need to invest as much energy in supporting the functioning of healthy families? Isn't the role of family to provide a secure environment for nurture, growth, and development, and to contribute to the spiritual, social, psychological, sexual, physical, and economic wholeness of its members? It is my experience that many forms of families can fulfill this function just as well as the one depicted in the Focus on the Family ad.

Totally. I agree with the author, too, and I'm not a Conservative. I did, however attend a United Church as a young person. This article on their web site encourages me.


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posted 24 May 2004 06:32 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ditto, steffie.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 24 May 2004 08:07 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
There was an amusing letter in the Grope and Flail responding to the FoF ad. A guy wrote in asking for more info about the cute model who is playing the dad in the photo.

w00t! That guy has some serious chutzpah

quote:
Originally posted by steffie_slick:
Totally. I agree with the author, too, and I'm not a Conservative. I did, however attend a United Church as a young person.

Nothing strange about that. The United Church has been nicknamed "the NDP at worship" for a reason


Newbie sure does like to throw that word "bigot" around. Let's consult a dictionary:

quote:
big·ot
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

(In this context, I will consider atheism as a religion)

quote:
Originally posted by Newbie:
I'm not a Christian and have as much compassion for the filth in your party as I do for a bunch of murderers and rapists. I'm as interested in your brand of religion as that of any of those fucking bible-thumping bastards.

You want to sell your bloody compassion, sell it the scum you hang out with and fuck off.

You are knowingly and deliberately trying to put those vermin in power. Morally you are not even a tiny little bit better than Larry Spencer -- you are trying to put a bigoted anti-gay government in power and for all your Christly compassion, gay people will suffer legalized discrimination if the government you are trying your utmost to elect gains power. Indeed, since you claim to know better, you are morally far, far worse than even the most bigoted Alliance MP.

You are in no position to lecture ANYONE on morality or compassion, because despite the way you lie to yourself, you have none.

There is no place for decent, moral people in the Conservative Party. None. You are in the Conservative Party. You are either cynically opportunistic or stupidly naive.


I guess you are in no position to lecture ANYONE on bigotry.

And this thread is not supposed to be about me, it is supposed to be about family values in the context of progressive Christianity, so quit talking about "[my] party".

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