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Deception
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posted 07 June 2003 09:34 PM

did u know there are more black males in US prisons than colleges? in regards to the resegregation of the school system it mainly arises from white americans predatory response of "fright and flight" to integration. when black kids were bussed into suburban white schools, the racial makeup changed from homogenous (white/middle class) to heterogeneous (black/working class). integration was the mantra of the civil rights era but latent white "fright" soon manifested itself in white "flight". white parents took their kids out of the public system and placed them in private schools averting all contact from working class black kids. the much debated "voucher" system that Bush and his cohorts support just facilitates the resegregation of the school system by allowing parents to transfer their tax dollars to subsidize a private school tuition. many people don't know this but 40% of the US armed forces are african-americans largely due to the fact that there are more army recruiters than college scouts at black urban high schools. Dr King's dream remains unrealized, possibly forgotten or maybe silenced might be a better word.

compelling read

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nonsuch
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posted 08 June 2003 09:26 AM

Since there are a lot moe poor white people than rich white people, and a lot more poor brown and black people than rich anything, this would be a good time to build an integrated grass-roots economy and education system.
Let the rich white people have their nice gated ghettos and forget about them.

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Deception
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posted 08 June 2003 10:42 AM

i would love to agree, but what this article and all the other work on race relations tells us that people identify themselves on the basis of race rather than class. yeah there are more poor white than rich but remember 100% of the KKK membership and all other racist/isolationist organizations are working class disenfranchised white folk. this is an universal trend; most civil wars around the globe are fought on the premise of a ethnic grievance, i.e. (Sri Lanka, Rwanda, Congo, i could name about 75 more) rather than social, i.e. (overthrowing an autocrat) to ameliorate a dire humans rights situation.

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lagatta
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posted 08 June 2003 12:46 PM

KKK also had wealthy backers. Don't think David Duke is "poor white". However the gist of what you say is true.

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nonsuch
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posted 08 June 2003 02:31 PM

Hence the all-important word "build".
Of course, people aren't going to do it spontaneously, and there probably are no strong enough leaders or motivations. If none emerge in the very near future, we're screwed.

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DrConway
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posted 08 June 2003 03:53 PM

The other problem is that the rich people in the gated communities deprive governments of much-needed property tax revenues. This hampers their ability to backstop measures to end-run the rich guys.

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Gir Draxon
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posted 08 June 2003 05:14 PM

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did u know there are more black males in US prisons than colleges?

So? More blacks committing crimes = more black convicts. Instead of looking at statistics like that, we should be adressing the reasons why there are more black criminals than one would expect. Crime rates will decrease as poverty and segregation decrease.

Focus on the cause, not the problem.

As for the voucher system, that is an issue of class-based snobbery, not racsism as I have not heard of the system prventing rich blacks from anything.

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DrConway
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posted 08 June 2003 05:48 PM

Because poverty is more concentrated among blacks, the effect of the voucher system will be racist, even if the intent is not.

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Gir Draxon
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posted 08 June 2003 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by DrConway:
Because poverty is more concentrated among blacks, the effect of the voucher system will be racist, even if the intent is not.

Statisical coincedence.

I will agree that it is racist when a rich non-white runs into difficulties in the voucher system because of their race.

As it stands, it is only classist.

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Deception
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posted 08 June 2003 07:02 PM

well i think if u examined drug laws critically u would realize how its slanted against poor black Americans. additionally, u would understand that race, power and class work symbiotically against black youth. the classic example cited is the deferring penalties between powder (lenient possibly rehab) and crack (jail time) cocaine. the powder variety is more expensive than crack subsequently powder cocaine is the drug of choice for middle class white kids whereas crack is the drug of access for working class/poor addicts. modern chemistry reveals both varieties fuck u over just as bad but the punishments are diametrically apart. to add perspective, Jed Bush’s daughter would spend a few weeks in rehab and Tyronne from the Springfield Hollans Housing Projects could spend a few years in the state penitentiary. just to quantify what i'm saying, most inmates in the US prison system are locked up for non-violent offences like drug possession or trafficking which accounts for something like 50%-55% of the inmates. the US has the largest prison population in the world accounting for 1/5 of the world's prison population; did u know the US has 400,000 more prisoners than China? there is a lot literature around which suggests that black males are disproportionately represented in prison, i'll emphasis that by pointing out that african americans makeup 12.5% of the total US population but comprise 46% of the total US inmate population. i guess the sad reality in all this is after generations of american indoctrination and cultural disintegration blacks display a commitment to a nation that could careless about them. ironically, an intriguing story broke out shortly after 9/11 on the AP press wires that told the horrific tale of a Sudanese immigrant that had been beaten viciously by four black males because he was an African Muslim, the enemy of America.

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nonsuch
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posted 08 June 2003 07:20 PM

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Statisical coincedence

Let's do that one more time, just to check whether we were imagining it.

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statistical coincidence

Wow!

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Gir Draxon
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posted 08 June 2003 08:12 PM

Nonesuch, what are you getting at?

Deception, I never said that those laws are just. They are in fact horrible laws. The point is that the penalties are based on the drug in question- a poor black kid using cocaine powder would get far less punishment than a rich white kid who got caught with crack.

The war on drugs is classist, but not racist. The only reason it appears racist is because of the way the class system exists in the USA.

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nonsuch
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posted 08 June 2003 08:42 PM

I'm getting at how the "statistical coincidence" came about. It's neither coincidental nor happenstance. A whole lot of legislation, selective law-enforcement, government funding and de-funding, employment and housing discrimination, concerted media vilification, scaremongering, weighted taxation, political manipulation, graft, fraud and general dishonesty went into creating that statistic.

Yes, it's a good idea to focus on the cause. But then what?

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the penalties are based on the drug in question- a poor black kid using cocaine powder would get far less punishment than a rich white kid who got caught with crack.

He can't fuggin' afford it! The lawmakers know this. Hence the law. Are we starting to see a connection yet?

I almost forgot to comment on this

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The other problem is that the rich people in the gated communities deprive governments of much-needed property tax revenues. This hampers their ability to backstop measures to end-run the rich guys

You pretty much have to cut out and ignore government, too, in order to get anything done. At this point, government (well, look at it!) is irrelevant to most people's lives. Tax revenues are not going into infrastructure, institutions or public welfare. Whatever useful public works are done are done by independent, unfunded, unapproved groups of citizens who say "The hell with those bozos; we want a safe park and we're making one." Nothing else in America works anymore.

[ 08 June 2003: Message edited by: nonesuch ]

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