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Topic: Connecting some dots; climate deniers
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Contrarian
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posted 30 August 2005 11:29 PM
In this thread, mostly about hurrican Katrina, majorvictory posted an article by Tad Murty Toronto Star link right here, stating quote: ...In a recent special issue of the Netherlands-based International Journal of Natural Hazards (JNH), we had several peer-reviewed papers on extreme weather events in different parts of the world — windstorms over the Canadian Prairies, floods in North Carolina, global monsoons, etc. No support was demonstrated for the global warming/extreme weather hypothesis whatsoever.Everyone recognizes that the impact of natural hazards is increasing at an alarming rate due to population rise and great increases in coastal infrastructure (a 13.5-fold increase in the last century alone). However, as editor of JNH, I cannot recall a single paper based on actual observations — and not on speculation through computer models — out of the approximately 2,000 manuscripts that passed through the editor's desk in the past 18 years, that ever claimed that global warming has anything to do with extreme weather events...
Now I believe scientists are reluctant to make such claims for any one event. Here is a Realclimate article that discusses the problem.Now about Tad Murty, editor of the "Netherlands-based International Journal of Natural Hazards (JNH)"; a member of the Editorial Advisory Board is M.L. Khandekar [Link too big; google it for confrimation] Khandekar was Margaret Wente's source for her global warming denial article discussed in this thread about Siberia warming. Khandeka and Murty have cowritten papers referenced by the Friends of Science, the Calgary based bunch of climate change deniers. Link here. There are not that many references to the "International Journal of Natural Hazards" and there seems to be at least one other "Journal of Natural Hazards"; I have to question if these guys are as prestigious as they claim, or if they are trying to borrow some prestige. Here are some more threads about global warming deniers: about a boycott of Exxon. Climate Catastrophe... with lots of links [ 30 August 2005: Message edited by: Contrarian ]
From: pretty far west | Registered: Jul 2004
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posted 31 August 2005 12:47 AM
a little more on the possible shape of things to come. its very early in the season. "NOAA Forecast: NOAA anticipates virtually all of the key ingredients for Tropical development will be enhanced this year as part of the multi-decade-long period of heightened activity we're in. I've summarized the importance of most of these factors below:Why is this very likely to be an active Hurricane season? First, Hurricane activity tends to run in 20-25 year cycles of above-normal activity (1950 to 1969)...below-normal activity (1970 to 1994)...and above-normal activity (1995 to 2015-2020?). Many atmospheric factors come together to either tend to enhance or tend to inhibit Tropical activity, and these factors generally follow the cycle above. Here's the chain of events which must take place to support Tropical systems: #1: Warm SSTs providing abundant heat energy and greater evaporation of water from the sea. #2: Easterly Trade Winds at the surface which are weak-enough to allow clusters of squalls to develop (rather than being torn-apart)...but strong-enough to induce a spin in squall clusters. #3: Mid- to upper-level winds blowing lightly from the East, allowing squall clusters to tower upwards and remain intact, rather than being sheared-apart by mid- and upper-level winds from the West. #4: Upper-level HI pressure along N boundary of Tropics, providing outflow, just as an efficient chimney supports a roaring fire in your fireplace. Without this, Tropical development is suppressed, just as a chimney with a closed damper prevents much of a fire in your fireplace. It appears most, if not all of the ingredients listed above will be in place, and tending to support lots of Tropical activity" http://www.caribwx.com/cyclone.html also an interesting speculation on the gulf stream circulation question. we may be on the edge of "interesting times"
From: nelson,bc | Registered: Mar 2005
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jas
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posted 31 August 2005 01:43 AM
Of course none of this could be manufactured weather, because our governments just aren't that evil, right? I mean, who would want the ability to create widespread disaster over a region, possibly drought, forest fires, crop failures and famine? That would be so, so war-like, and our governments just aren't that nasty, right? Weather modification doesn't exist, and neither, by the same token, does weather warfare. No, it's all just climate change. Climate changing really really fast. Sorry, but despite David Suzuki's very valid warnings, I don't believe climates would change this fast. The notion of climate change is valid, but it is also something that has been marketed to the masses for quite some time now. How convenient that we would believe it is all just Mother Nature run amok, and that we somehow bring this on ourselves.
From: the world we want | Registered: Jun 2005
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rasmus
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posted 31 August 2005 11:59 AM
Arctic cyclones, an important piece of climate change research quote: Arctic cyclones can be an "extreme" weather event that is of increasing importance in climate change research. This weather pattern is made up of low pressure polar air currents that move counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere, as shown in the satellite image below. Cyclone activity and frequency at high latitudes can indicate changes in the earth's climate patterns. They are a mechanism for moving heat and moisture into the Arctic. Like hurricanes, their tropical counterpart, arctic cyclones exhibit high winds and can lead to other climate conditions. They can generate snowstorms and blizzards and have already caused increased coastal erosion. In addition, it is important to study how arctic storms are being affected by the current greenhouse warming trend. IARC scientist Xiangdong Zhang and his research group are studying cyclonic activity and noted that high-latitude cyclones occur throughout the year, although winter and summer storms display different characteristics. During the winter season from October to April, arctic cyclones are stronger and of shorter duration than those that occur during the summer months. Summer season cyclones from March through September tend to be more numerous, weaker, and longer-lasting than their winter counterparts. The researchers created the Cyclone Activity Index (CAI), an identification and tracking system that categorizes cyclones in the region north of 30ºN. The CAI includes information on cyclone intensity, frequency, and duration (Fig.1). From the index, they determined that arctic cyclone activity increased during the second half of the 20th century, while there was a decrease in cyclones occurring at midlatitudes between 1960 to the early 1990s. The study focuses on the polar latitude of 60 º to 90ºN, however, they are also tracking the relationship between storms in the polar area and the midlatitude region from 40º to 60ºN. This is an important part of their research, since cyclones that affect the Arctic can originate in the polar region as well as in lower latitudes (Fig. 2). On average, 50 cyclones are generated annually within the polar region, while approximately 17 come from subpolar zones. There are also indications that cyclones moving into the North Atlantic and Eurasian sector from midlatitudes have been increasing. This suggests that storm patterns may be shifting northward toward the pole. Xiangdong Zhang originally became interested in arctic cyclones when he noticed that sea level pressure was decreasing at the same time that cyclonic activity was increasing. He is also interested in extreme events because of their impact on inhabited areas. Arctic cyclones are a major contributor to temperature fluctuations and high winds. Increased areas of open water can result in higher waves, flooding, and erosion.
From: Fortune favours the bold | Registered: May 2001
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Contrarian
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posted 31 August 2005 04:25 PM
More hurricanes predicted; discussion of connection with global warming. quote: ...Over the past 30 years, the destructive power of North Atlantic storms has more than doubled, with big increases in the duration of the storms as well as in wind power, it says. Yet during this time, the surface of tropical oceans has warmed by just 0.5 C (0.9 F).The study, by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) scientist Kerry Emanuel, backs predictions by some climatologists that global warming will make storms more damaging. But Emanuel found no evidence to support theories that warmer temperatures will also make tropical storms more frequent. The number of tropical cyclones around the world has been holding steady at around 90 a year, although regional totals undergo periodic swings...
Whether it's global warming or part of a natural cycle; inconclusive.
From: pretty far west | Registered: Jul 2004
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Cougyr
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posted 31 August 2005 08:51 PM
quote: The Gulf Stream or scientifically referred to as North Atlantic thermohaline conveyor is a stream of warm water that comes from south of the equator and flows over the surface of the ocean toward the north where this warm water keeps Northern America and Northern and Western Europe from freezing. It also holds most of the world’s weather patterns in the way we are used to.Then as this Gulf Stream cools down, it drops to the bottom of the ocean and returns as a river in the ocean to the south where it warms up again and rises to the surface and then returns to the north one more time in a continuous convection current. It is a huge three dimensional figure eight. The motor that keep this warm water flowing is found in the north where the Gulf Stream drops to the bottom of the ocean. It is the salt density of the ocean that causes this river to drop and pulls the warm water up from the south. Now that the poles are melting and fresh water is flowing into the Atlantic Ocean and the salt density is decreasing, the Gulf Stream does not drop quiet as far, which results in a slowing down of this Stream. The Gulf Stream has been dramatically slowing down now for at least ten years. As the Gulf Stream slows down, the warmth is not brought to the North Atlantic region, and the weather patterns begin to change for they are dependent on this warmth to keep a balance.
Dry Ice: Global Warming RevealedThe goons in the White House undoubtedly know a great deal about this. It looks like their plan is to loot the world, while making a large gated community for themselves and friends.
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Antu
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posted 03 September 2005 04:51 PM
Rather than guide the hurricanes away fropm land which can be done, they chose to use it as weaponry. Here is just one example of information online about weather manufactureing, climate control, which ever you want to call it. cutting edge Sure this sight is sponsored by some extremists they still have the facts. It is most likely necessary to clean up New Orleans, since the refinery was becoming obsolete at 20 years old, and that it was certainly illegal in the first place to put the refinery and storage tanks below sea level, this hurricane disaster has been planned for nearly 20 years. Since not even the local authorities had an evacuation plan set up with or without FEMA, for the poor folks in the region, and Bush seems to have intentionally delayed first response to hospitals etc. This disaster was planned and could very well have been created by either HAARP (US weather control staion in Alaska, or The KGB/ in Russia, note the names of the hurricanes that are Russian, and the slip on CNN calling the storm Katriana in stead of Katrina).NEWS BRIEF: "Basic Facts About the United Nations", pamphlet, 1994. On the inside of the front cover, this pamphlet enthusiastically recounts some of the agreements the United Nations has negotiated with the nations of the world that supposedly makes this world a better place in which to live. Incredibly, this U.N. Treaty is listed as the second noteworthy accomplishment, under the year, "1977". "1977 -- The Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques. ENMOD Convention prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves, and changes in climate and in weather patterns." Just like that, this pamphlet states boldly that scientists do possess Weather Warfare capability, and then lists some of the various individual capabilities. Aren't we fortunate that the political leaders of the world have signed a piece of paper forbidding nations from using these weapons against each other? History is full of instances where pieces of paper called Treaties have been ignored almost from the moment they were signed. However, this Treaty, or Convention, does not forbid political leaders from using these Weather Warfare weapons against their own people! This is what is occurring here, I believe, to convince Americans that our Industrial Civilization is so polluting the world that these storms are a natural result. Then, once they are so convinced, Americans will be amenable to changing our Industrial Civilization, and to moving into the U.N. Biodiversity Areas already mapped out. Of course, Americans are not at that point yet, but how many more "unprecedented" storms will it take, one after another, one on top of another, to convince them? This United Nations' pamphlet then lists the dramatically increasing incidence of losses from Natural Disasters, giving us statistics that we will share with you. This is the table included in this pamphlet. "Before 1987, there was only one disaster, the cost of which exceeded $1 billion in insured losses. Since 1987, however, thirteen additional such disasters have occurred." NEWS BRIEF: "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19. "KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone." "Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work." This article is written by the prestigious Wall Street Journal, and it reports, very matter of factly, that Malaysia is ordering a cyclone just as someone might order some lawn furniture from a catalog! We also learned that the Russians have the capability of creating such a huge storm for a fee. Also unsaid, but inferred, is that this cyclone could be steered or controlled so that it would come close enough to Malaysia to clear away the haze that was bedeviling that nation, but not so close it would cause any damage. Further, the nations close to Malaysia are not quoted as being overly concerned that this most powerful of storms might accidentally hit their shores. This news is quite stupendous, and it opens up all sorts of questions about our incredible and unprecedented hurricanes in the past 5 years. Were these hurricanes also caused by our scientists, or by the Russian scientists? If our scientists created them, then the Federal Government needs to be strung up and quartered for the pain, anguish, and death caused by these terrible storms. If the Russian scientists caused these storms, then they have just committed an act of war against the United States! NEWS BRIEF: The New York Times, September 24, 1992, reported that a Russian company which deals with weather modification sell Weather Control Electronic Equipment to certain people in Russia who want to manipulate the weather in a specific area. This weather control technology is being used by farmers to alter the climate for beneficial agricultural purposes.
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rinne
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posted 03 September 2005 06:35 PM
Antu, you said, "Then, once they are so convinced, Americans will be amenable to changing our Industrial Civilization, and to moving into the U.N. Biodiversity Areas already mapped out. Of course, Americans are not at that point yet, but how many more "unprecedented" storms will it take, one after another, one on top of another, to convince them?"Do you have a link to such a map?
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