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Tao Jones
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posted 04 June 2004 04:40 PM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O.K. Rabble Rousers let me hear ya!

I'm a newbie here (in babble) and here's my idea:

Think back, if you will, to that fateful day in July last year when so many million of us were plunged into darkness and despair... O.K. really - the wonderfully surprising thing about the Big Black-out (that we simply had to pin the blame on, well, someone) was the lack of darkness and despair. Many of us (although confused and concerned) scrambled home from work early that day in what gradually became a bumper to bumper rush-hour nightmare frantically punching our cell phones in hopes of contacting loved ones and/or information as to exactly what was happening (after 9/11 it felt as though anything was possible). When it became evident and widely known to all that there was nothing "un-toward" about the situation there was still concern, but a collective sense of relief was thick in the hot evening air. As we arrived home after a remarkably road-rage free commute of twice or three times the average length of time, we found (at least in my neighborhood) our many unfamiliar neighbors becoming familiar beyond exchanging fleeting niceties, sharing pizzas (from the gas ovened pizza joint humming with business and chatter) and (still cold) assorted beverages. It felt both odd and re-assuring to see a community acting ,well, like a community.
Of course it didn't take long for the passing acknowledgements and niceties to slowly subside over the (post- blackout) coming days.
I (and many others I've spoken to about this) couldn't help but be inspired by this anything but tragic event.
Imagine, if you will, a day, the same day in July, being observed and commemorated by millions of fellow Canadians each year by either "shutting down all electricity" from say 3pm to 1am or even lobbying with the powers that be to shut it down! (yeah,right!) Imagine the money being saved by shutting down for 10 hrs! Imagine we use this time to discuss alternative, eco-friendly sources of power. Of course there may be a better chance at winning the lottery (which most would agree to do anything for), But, I submit, Why the Hell Not!?! Let's do it!! ..........Naaaaahhh!


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paxamillion
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posted 04 June 2004 04:43 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't there a risk of problems bringing the Ontario grid up if it were to be entirely taken down?
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Tao Jones
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posted 04 June 2004 05:02 PM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't there a risk that our over-usage of expensive, ecologically unsound power without considering and implementing alternatives could lead to inhiallation of human life?
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paxamillion
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posted 04 June 2004 05:04 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about answering my question?
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posted 04 June 2004 05:08 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a romantic view of the black-out. I heard on the radio folks in new york actually got to see the stars for the first time.

We go camping to a place where you can see all the satellites and assorted space junk circling the globe on a clear night.

I can't imagine life without stars.

I however know nothing about power grids ....


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 June 2004 05:09 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is anyone familiar with the game "Questions Only"?
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spatrioter
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posted 04 June 2004 05:12 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I assume hospitals and other essential services would be exempted?

And how would people in high-rise apartment buildings get their water, since the pumps wouldn't be working?

How would elderly people cope in the summer in the intense heat?

What about the lost food through a shutdown in refrigerators?

I think it would do more good to campaign for the government to invest in alternative energy resources instead of campaign for them to shut off all electricity.


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posted 04 June 2004 05:13 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Is anyone familiar with the game "Questions Only"?

What game?


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Tao Jones
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posted 04 June 2004 05:16 PM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, carried away
To answer your Q - I don't know.
I don't pretend to have all the answers (like a politician) but I am willing to listen. Q for U Pax. Would you "Shut Down" for 10 hrs? Or is my idea (in your opinion) preposterous?

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posted 04 June 2004 05:20 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, and by the way, welcome to babble, Tao
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 June 2004 05:32 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
What game?

An improv comedy game. You take turns speaking, but you can only ask questions. First person to not ask a question, or to be stumped, is out. But I digress.

I think that if it were possible to pretend it was a blackout, that might be cool. Problem is, it's hard to "pretend" you have to eat up all this ice cream when you know you don't, and the lit windows and humming air conditioners of the inevitable cheaters could be a damper.

It's true though; I doubt there's any Torontonian who can't say they didn't meet at least one new neighbour thanks to the outage. We sat up on our roof with some younger guys from our building, who enlisted our aid in downing some beer while it was still cold. And I got the following day off work. Good times.


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Tao Jones
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posted 04 June 2004 05:33 PM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanx Spat...
You make valid points. How about encouraging people to shut down non-essential power usage - TV, AC, Lights etc...?

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Albireo
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posted 04 June 2004 05:35 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The night of the blackout you could see the pale band of the Milky Way reaching across the sky. It was like being at the cottage. Fantastic.
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Tao Jones
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posted 04 June 2004 05:49 PM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
posted 04 June 2004 05:35 PM                      
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The night of the blackout you could see the pale band of the Milky Way reaching across the sky. It was like being at the cottage. Fantastic.

I remember that, beautiful night too.
The thing is that it did get people thinking and talking about our exsesses (spell check?) and as I mentioned before I think the relief that it had nothing to do with the dreaded terrorism fear (and propaganda - "i" digress) just added to the "romantisizing" of it. I hope there is some revisiting, at least, of some of the valid concerns regarding some of our thoughtless over-usage of power. The phrase "taking for granted..." was uttered (I'm sure) a great many times.

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Fidel
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posted 04 June 2004 06:19 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They shut down private enterprise owned stations in the USA all the time. It creates a shortage of power, and thus, drives up prices.

Another these privateers use is to make round trip sales of electrical power to one another. That, too, creates false demand ... and drives power prices thru the roof.

I've got the real fix for these parasites who want to make money by shooting ducks in a barrel.
We have to remove the dim bulbs in Ottawa and the Conserviberal provinces and replace'm with some high quality NDP ones.

Either that or it's bargaining for own resources with rifles and all that Che Guevera stuff. And Canadians are too whiny for all that, so we get to have a say once every four or five or until we can bring in a more advanced form of democracy ...proportional representation as proposed by the NDP.

[ 04 June 2004: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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posted 04 June 2004 08:09 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
I doubt there's any Torontonian who can't say they didn't meet at least one new neighbour thanks to the outage.

*cough* Except me, I guess. I locked myself in my basement and warned everyone not to breathe my air.

Actually, my "what game?" question was supposed to be playing the game


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Tao Jones
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posted 04 June 2004 08:46 PM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Conserviberal", that's a good word for it, Fidel! I wouldn't say we are "too whiny" for an uprising, of sorts. I would say we're less concerned about power and control, because we know we ain't gonna get it nor do we want it. Interesting times, these. The NDP will surely rise to the occassion. Sites like Babble (alternative sources) are becoming more and more popular now that we have the "power", through the web, to demand the truth. and they are not only giving the goods they provide a forum to be heard.

"the revolution will not be televised" the Last Poets, I think.

How was that for digression????????????????

"The Medium is the message" M.McLuhan


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steffie
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posted 04 June 2004 08:55 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Is anyone familiar with the game "Questions Only"?


Well... is somebody going to start a "questions only" thread...?

Could there be themed threads in which we converse only in question form...?

Is anybody besides me thinking of the game of the same name played on "Whose Line is it Anyway?"...?

P.S. Blackout Day was August 14th.

[ 04 June 2004: Message edited by: steffie_slick ]


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Tao Jones
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posted 06 June 2004 01:12 AM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It wasn't in July?
Black-Out Day Aug.14, 2004?
How does that sound?
Are you in?
Could you go 10 hrs without using non-essential energy in your home?(why not use up those pretty candles you've had for so many years?)
Me,why not?

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steffie
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posted 06 June 2004 09:08 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I could go 10 without non-essential energy, but we would have to agree on what non-essential was.

I'm not unplugging my fridge... (or my microwave, pc or tv)

LOL (sorry!)


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meades
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posted 06 June 2004 11:02 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can see the stars every night in Sault Ste. Marie. But that's just cause we rock.

Anyhow, I think an anniversarry party is quite in order. But I say just get everyone to turn off the stuff themselves, because if you ask "the powers that be" they'll just make a committee and won't get back to you until 2007.


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Tao Jones
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posted 07 June 2004 12:00 AM      Profile for Tao Jones     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True enough Meades. But to get, say, The Mayor of T.O.(yeah that's the ticket) the left honourable Mr. Miller to announce Aug. 14th as an annual "let's use as little energy as we can day"(or something) - perhaps sending CityHall home early and urging other businesses to do the same. With only the intent to conserve as much energy as possible and/or even going so far as to try to recreate what actually happened in our respective communities, rallying together to make the best of it. We could then actually have data afterwords on exactly how much energy and money was saved from 10 hrs. of conservation, if not completely cutting off - cutting back.
I can even imagine, pulling something like that off could effect the most "conserviberal" minded (or lack of there as)into almost actually seeing the benefits of giving ashit!

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posted 15 June 2004 03:14 PM      Profile for VoiceofTreason     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
August 14th won't do me much good this year because it's a saturday.

But I do think August 14th should be a public holiday.

How'd we petition someone to do that?


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