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Briguy
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posted 14 November 2002 11:08 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm admittedly easy to piss off. People who claim that there is no evidence of global warming tend to piss me off. They are misleading and dishonest. Many have (quite correctly) pointed out that the Earth is in a constant state of flux...that warming and cooling trends come and go. But they fail to point out that on the scale of human existence, these trends have been small and short-lived. The warming trend we are experiencing now is not natural, it is a direct result of industrial emmissions.

Anyway, my proposal for all the nay-sayers who disclaim any warming trend is to join in the Tuvalu Cage Challenge. The participants will be locked in a gigantic bamboo cage on the tropical paradise of Tuvalu. All of the conveniences of home (cell phones, satellite TV, Armani suits, conference tables) will be provided. Armed with the courage of their convictions, the participants can get on with business, as sea level creeps up on them. Once a month, an envoy will be sent to ask participants if they wish to admit that global warming is a real phenomena; one that threatens people around the globe. If they admit that the water sloshing about their feet is evidence of human-induced warming, then they get to leave the cage. If not, they can stay another month, convinced that the rising waters are only a temporary, seasonal phenomena, and should recede any time now.


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Mandos
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posted 14 November 2002 11:32 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just to be a Devil's Advocate, but there is a problem with this scenario. The claim against human-induced global warming is not that it is seasonal, but rather that it is a natural cycle that takes centuries to accomplish. So they could just claim that the water is rising because it is rising, and would have risen if humans hadn't existed. It is that claim that must be challenged.

An easier argument is to say that it is plausible that human activity causes global warming, and because it is plausible we should make an effort not to adversely effect a system for which we don't have a perfectly empirically-tested model.


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ronb
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posted 14 November 2002 11:41 AM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree. I think a far more effective scenario would be to lock the contestants in the cage permanently and then periodically check in with them to see if they'd prefer the world abide by a global climate change protocol.
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Sisyphus
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posted 14 November 2002 01:49 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While I share you irritation with the naysayers, Sarcasmobri, the realities of science do not admit the statement: "Global warming is the result of irresponsible human activity.", though I believe the MASSIVE amount of research on global climate change and all meaures that may be indicators of it clearly support the likelyhood of this conclusion. The problem is, that like any area of human study, it takes one years of training (formal or informal) and constant reading and evaluating to be able to comment on the Big Issues with any credibility.

The business of researching climate change and that of environmental advocacy require different levels of evidence.

Two words. Risk anaylsis.

If I have a new growth on my neck near a lymph node, I don't give a shit if the surgeon can identify the oncogene responsible, or why my p53 levels are wonky. Cut first, ask questions later.

Much as my heart bleeds for the transnational petroleum corporations, if the alternative to reducing greenhouse gas emissions is melting icecaps, chaotic weather events, flooding, drought, massive ecological devastation and global famine and all the fun things that will ffollow in it's wake, then the last thing we'll be worried about is the cost of topping up the SUV.

If we're wrong and you poor oppressed oil magnates lose a few points on the Dow Jones, fuckin' bill me. Cheque's in the mail!

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: Sisyphus ]


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verbatim
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posted 14 November 2002 01:50 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...or we could just put them all down like rabid dogs.
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flotsom
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posted 14 November 2002 02:54 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Sisyphus.

A misunderstanding.

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: flotsom ]


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Briguy
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posted 14 November 2002 02:55 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, I was being a little harsh. A better plan would be to ask (well, force) the nay-sayers to swap homes with individual Tuvaluns. That'll take care of the Tuvalun people while still allowing the nay-sayers to put their denials where their mouths are.

(BTW, I've done enough climate modelling in my day to know that when you fundamentally change the chemical composition of the atmosphere (or the oceans), the climate changes. All the serious work done on future climate models try to gauge the intensity of change our little spike of COx, CHx, SOx, and NOx emissions will cause. Fun stuff.)

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: Sarcasmobri ]


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Sisyphus
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posted 14 November 2002 03:10 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
flotsom. I hope you read my reply. Sorry. I did not intend to imply any such thing about you.

I will retract the offensive comment as promised.


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flotsom
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posted 14 November 2002 03:35 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No prob.
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Heather
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posted 14 November 2002 07:24 PM      Profile for Heather   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An Inuk fell through the ice two days ago in Baker Lake- which is quite common in the spring but unheard of in WINTER! Could it be global warming?

I've heard that killer whales used to have us for snacks too- but that's another story .


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