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steffie
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posted 06 September 2004 01:09 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You know - it's true. When you go out on a first "date" (in a public place, the person who did the asking pays, and so forth), aren't you really performing a living, breathing relationship resume? Each person is assessing the other, checking to see if s/he has the qualities they are looking for in a partner. People in my age category have probably had at least one serious relationship, and know what the rules of the game are. Whether it be physical appeal, common interests, compatible personalities, etc. there occurs a trading of information through body language and verbal language. There may be a non-verbal asking, and a non-verbal telling. Of course, the actual words spoken can say alot too. But I won't go into that here. What I want to say is that going on a first date is a process during which one essentially "sells oneself", a phenomenon which I have recently been giving a lot of thought. Puzzling. Thoughts?
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Mandos
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posted 06 September 2004 01:15 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Among us South Asians, it really does get to be a job interview, sometimes with resumés and all...
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Trisha
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posted 06 September 2004 01:21 AM      Profile for Trisha     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm wondering why you are giving this a lot of thought recently. Are you becoming concerned about first impressions? Are you getting tired of the game?

In some ways, I find the game very annoying. Very few people are open enough on a first date to be judged on compatibility unless they are totally offensive. Most people are on their best behaviour, so your only find out what they want to accent. Yes, it is "selling yourself". The problem is there isn't really a viable alternative, or is there?


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steffie
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posted 06 September 2004 01:30 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I won't say that I'm tired of "the game", because really, this is the only real medium we have to connect and converse. What I want to strive to do is play the game, but write my own rules. It's difficult, though, to be completely yourself when making, as you say, a first impression. It's the first formal impression/presentation/application. Obviously, there has been some checking out beforehand, so that one knows one wants to actually go on that first date. I'm looking forward to the second date.
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Mandos
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posted 06 September 2004 02:26 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There is an alternative. It is the Family Network, but I guess this is only available to some cultural groups. In South Asian cultures in general, one receives multiple reports of another person through accredited sources as to that persons character, education, etc, often before even meeting that person.

[ 06 September 2004: Message edited by: Mandos ]


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aRoused
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posted 06 September 2004 07:30 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Um, 'accredited'?

And, sure, it's 'selling yourself', but is that perhaps just the idiom you're choosing to describe it based on your existence in a post-modern industrial society focused around marketing and consumerism?

If you lived somewhere/somewhen else, you'd most likely use different terms to describe it, no?


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Anchoress
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posted 06 September 2004 07:42 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I totally agree. And what I think is most like a job interview is that it's not so much about figuring out if this person is right for you (if it's a job interview, the interviewer probably already knows if the applicant is *qualified*; if it's a date and you like what you see you get a few more 'free' dates before having to declare yourself), but rather trying to spot something that means the person is *wrong* for you.

That's why I think first impressions are so important; it's really easy at the beginning (with potential employers and potential mates) to unwittingly give ammunition to the 'no' side.

I actually experienced this in a job interview recently; I was asked the good ole question 'what are your faults', and I answered with something I thought was truthful, fair, and not too damning... but the entire interview went south from there, and I could *see* (from their questions and body language) that they had been gravely disturbed by my revelation, and were zeroing in on it with almost carnivorous zeal.

When people don't know you, revealing things (like my job interview confession, or as another example when I told a first date that I had at one time considerd suicide), it can give people a really good reason NOT to invest any further time or commitment.

We all know that if people got to know us those little revelations would be - little - in comparison to our virtues, but when presented against the backdrop of the unknown, they are just too blatant to ignore.


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skdadl
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posted 06 September 2004 08:28 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm trying to remember ever going out on a date with someone I didn't already know quite a bit about, and I am failing.

Apart from the very different and formal system Mandos is describing, don't most people meet prospective romantic partners either through work or at school? And by the time an actual date is proposed, don't you have a pretty good idea of how attracted you are, how mutual the attraction is, and of the person who is the attraction?


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Anchoress
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posted 06 September 2004 08:38 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hmmm, let's see...

My first boyfriend was the guy who sold me Matol (nutritional supplement). I'd met him twice when he asked me out.

My second worked at the place where I temped - I didn't even know his name when I found out he was interested in me.

My third was a blind date.

My fourth was the friend of one friend and the ex-boyfriend of another; I'd met him briefly about four times before we went out.

My fifth (the one I knew best before dating) is actually the man I most *regret* going out with. He was the drummer in my band, and we'd known each other fairly well for several months before we went out.

And as for my numerous other dating experiences? Almost all with men I hardly knew. I think with me the thing is if I already know a guy, I already know I *don't* want to go out with him lol. I am *very* picky, and *very* cautious about spoiling a work or friend relationship by 'trying out' the dating game with them.


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lagatta
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posted 06 September 2004 08:47 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've practically always met partners through my "movement" milieu, work or cultural networks. A lot of what Mandos said about family "arrangements" of partnerships can happen less formally in other settings. Certainly we sought out and got character reports on prospective partners.

I've not "dated" much in the way the thread describes. I did get a lot of encouragement in terms of my long-distance sweetheart, and character reports, though I had met him many times. One thing I wanted to know (since he was recently separated) is whether he had any minor children, as I'm not interested in potentially being a stepmum.

But of course there are never any guarantees.


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Michelle
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posted 09 September 2004 03:45 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I saw a quote attributed to some child (you know, one of those e-mail forwards of quotes that are supposed to make you go "awwww!") that said something like, "A date is when you go out with someone, tell each other lies, and if you do it well enough, you go out again." I forget the exact words.
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paxamillion
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posted 09 September 2004 03:52 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think they are more like sales calls, actually -- with nervousness of making the call to arrange a meeting, etc. However, job interviews are a fair comparison.

Here's a joke we tell in AA:

Q - How can you tell when two alcoholics's are on their second date?
A - One of them will have a moving van at the front door.


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Rufus Polson
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posted 09 September 2004 05:13 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
When I was a student I belonged to the science fiction/role-playing-game club. Met girlfriends there or in the SCA, and generally knew them a while before asking them out.
I met my wife at work, had known her somewhat for years before I ever asked her out. And she didn't think I was seriously, you know, "asking her out" when she said yes. Characteristic modesty on her part--I think most people would assume an invite to the chocolate buffet at the Cafe Fleuri was a real date.

In each case, the problem wasn't so much selling myself per se, as moving myself out of the "nice guy as a friend" category and into the potential romance category.


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Timebandit
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posted 09 September 2004 05:42 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On the one hand, yes, I think a first date is rather like a job interview and like a sales job, but you're both selling (usually, anyway). I had some pretty set rules about dating when I was single. Certain periods of time/numbers of casual dates before expressing serious interest, that sort of thing.

When the blond guy and I "got together", it wasn't exactly a date, we just happened to be at the same Christmas party, gatecrashers both. And, um, well... Let's just say that before our first date we'd gotten slightly (*ONLY SLIGHTLY*!) inappropriate with each other. First actual date, we were completely inappropriate, by the terms of my dating rules. Eight years later, I'm kind of glad we threw the rule book out the window.


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Polunatic
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posted 09 September 2004 05:53 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There was an article in yesterday's "Metro" newspaper (a free newspaper given out to transit riders in toronto) which said that people know within 10 minutes or less whether or not they'd like to go out with each other, become friends or never see each other again. It recommended "speed dating", where you meet a bunch of people for 3 or 4 minutes each.

First impressions and gut feelings are supposed to be everything. Not sure I agree totally but sometimes we know right away when the person isn't right.


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Gir Draxon
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posted 09 September 2004 06:32 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
When I was a student I belonged to the science fiction/role-playing-game club. Met girlfriends there...


/sorry


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audra trower williams
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posted 09 September 2004 06:36 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm gonna move this to "body and soul"
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