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Albireo
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posted 13 September 2004 10:56 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The image of a blurry red ball near a failed star may be the first picture ever snapped of a planet outside our solar system, an astronomer who helped find the object said.

If it is a planet, it is probably a gas giant like Jupiter, said Professor Ben Zuckerman of the University of California, Los Angeles, part of an international team of scientists that found it.

Details of the so-called Giant Planet Candidate Companion will be published in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.

The object is close by cosmic standards, some 230 light-years away from Earth. A light-year is about 10 trillion kilometres, the distance light travels in a year.

Scientists have detected more than 100 of these so-called exoplanets, but have never directly observed them.

Until now, they have confirmed these planets' existence by a characteristic wobble they cause in the stars they orbit. Another method is by looking for a temporary, tiny dimming of a star to indicate a planet is transiting, or passing in front of it.

Other teams have captured images of what they initially believed were so-called exoplanets, objects orbiting stars other than our Sun. But they later proved to be brown dwarfs, stars without the mass to sustain nuclear fusion at their cores.


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Agent 204
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posted 13 September 2004 11:22 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A brown dwarf would be the natural place to look actually, because it wouldn't produce enough light or heat that the planet would be lost in the glare. I presume that image is an IR pic; for sure a brown dwarf wouldn't be blue.
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Albireo
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posted 14 September 2004 12:10 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good catch... The few news stories about it don't even bother to mention that the image was made in near-infrared light. The press release at the ESO site has more information. They probably shifted everything toward the blue end of the spectrum, so the red dwarf appears blue, and the newly discovered infrared object appears red.

They were able to image the planet (if it is that) because it orbits a relatively dim brown dwarf, as you mention, and also because it's five times the size of Jupiter, and further away from its star than Pluto is from our sun.


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Rufus Polson
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posted 14 September 2004 02:09 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm . . . almost becomes a question of degree, not kind. Where's the line between a brown dwarf "star" (huge ball of gas too small for fusion, IIRC) and a "planet" five times the size of Jupiter (huge ball of gas too small for fusion)?

Looked at a different way, you've got a big-and-small binary.

Very cool, though.


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posted 15 September 2004 03:30 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, a brown dwarf is too small for ordinary hydrogen fusion. It's big enough, however, for deuterium and lithium fusion, IIRC. So a Jovian planet can be expected to have deuterium and lithium, but a brown dwarf won't, because they'll have been burned off.

At least I think that's the distinction.


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Bernard W
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As a rule, any star that has less then 8% of the mass of our Sun is not massive enough to ignite nuclear fusion. As a comparison, the planet Jupiter's mass is about 0.1% of that of the Sun.

Dozens of 'exoplanets' have been found with masses corresponding to a few Jupiters. As those objects are extremely far (about a million times more distant than the Sun-Earth distance) it is normal we discover the big planets first.

If a planetary system like ours is typical, we can expect most system with big, gaseous planets like Jupiter also have small, rocky planets like the Earth. Maybe some with life.

'Is anybody else out there' is a question that will always fascinate humans. Unless we are stupid enough to destroy ourselves, we will find out one day.


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posted 17 September 2004 08:05 AM      Profile for sillygoil     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I watched The Daily Show yesterday - John Stewart was talking about this planet and asked that all kids watching write and send in their best "Giant Gas Ball" jokes to:

Giant Gas Ball Jokes
c/o The Daily Show
Poopyville MT

Suffice to say, I am still laughing...


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Rufus Polson
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quote:
Originally posted by Bernard W:

If a planetary system like ours is typical, we can expect most system with big, gaseous planets like Jupiter also have small, rocky planets like the Earth. Maybe some with life.

Yeah, although the planets they've found first are *also* the ones with fast tight orbits. And it seems likely that superjovians in tight, close orbits around their primaries would do weird things to the rest of the system; whether planetary systems like ours are typical or not, the systems we've found so far aren't among them.


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Bernard W
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Yeah, although the planets they've found first are *also* the ones with fast tight orbits.

Agreed. Those systems are also easier to discover, as the perturbations the planets make on their parent star's motion occur on a scale of days or weeks. Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit the Sun. You'll need patience, and accurate instruments, to detect motion over that time.


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