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audra trower williams
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posted 03 March 2003 09:28 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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One in every 200 men alive today is a relative of Genghis Khan. An international team of geneticists has made the astonishing discovery that more than 16 million men in central Asia have the same male Y chromosome as the great Mongol leader.

Weird.


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Michelle
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posted 03 March 2003 09:53 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, I wonder if my son is one of them!
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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 03 March 2003 10:25 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!
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verbatim
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posted 03 March 2003 10:36 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Still. Alive. Old. Friend.
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Michelle
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posted 03 March 2003 10:42 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jebus save me from trekkies!
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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 04 March 2003 12:51 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it's not just trek, michelle, you'll also have to deal with fans of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy (a quote from right at the start of the first book):

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Curiously enough, though he didn't know it, he was also a direct male-line descendent of Genghis Khan, though intervening generations and racial mixing had so juggled his genes that he had no discernible Mongoloid characteristics, and the only vestiges left in Mr. L. Prosser of his mighty ancestry were a pronounced stoutness about the tum and a predilection for little fur hats.

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Dr. Mr. Ben
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posted 04 March 2003 12:55 AM      Profile for Dr. Mr. Ben   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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"Good," said Wowbagger, and made a little tick on his clipboard. He looked up. "Genghis Khan," he said, "you are a wanker; you are a tosspot; you are a very tiny piece of turd. Thank you." With that, he retreated into his ship and flew off.

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TommyPaineatWork
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posted 04 March 2003 03:11 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remain somewhat sceptical. They don't have any of the Khan lines DNA to prove it empirically. So it's just conjecture-- good conjecture maybe, but conjecture nonetheless.

One of the neat things about Tamerlane is that his burial site remains unknown.


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Michelle
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posted 04 March 2003 07:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hee, I remember that, WW. But I'm pretty sure that the lines they were quoting are from the Wrath of Khan. I may be wrong though.
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Man With No Name
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posted 04 March 2003 09:40 AM      Profile for Man With No Name     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just started HGTTG last night (again). Weirder.
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nonsuch
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posted 04 March 2003 09:11 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Big deal!
Genghis was only one of Estartre's many grand-brats.
I'm her direct descendant in the female line. So are most of you. So there.

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Mohamad Khan
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posted 05 March 2003 11:39 PM      Profile for Mohamad Khan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i like to fancy that i am, given that i'm stuck with his "last name".

hooray for Eurocentric naming conventions that say very little or nothing about my ancestry.


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rasmus
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posted 06 March 2003 01:46 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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'There are only two ways a single Y chromosome can make such a mark on a population,' Tyler-Smith said. 'The chromosome could in some way confer its owners with some biological advantage. But given that a Y chromosome is little more than a biochemical switch that turns an embryo into a male child, it is hard to see how it could have such an effect.

Option #3: the explanatory theories on offer are inadequate. To discount this possibility, one would like some contrast class. Can you isolate another population with a similar homogeneity? Going the other way, can you pick a famous person from the same era whose Y chromosome could be identified, and then check a population to see how widespread it is? If this has been done, what is the contrast? I would be curious to know.

In any case, the story does seem remarkable, on the face of it.

Genghis and his hordes were one of the most destructive, awful forces in history, justly reviled from China to Europe. What the newspaper story does not mention is that while the beautiful women were "saved" for Genghis, men were put to the sword. In Genghis' wake, tens of millions died. The land became a waste of rotting corpses, disease, and famine. Truly a hideous individual with, it would seem, little to redeem him but his fertility.

I gather from the article that the scientific data only suggests that these 16 million men had a common ancestor; that it was probably Genghis is a historical inference.

[ 06 March 2003: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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nonsuch
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posted 06 March 2003 09:48 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What was the world's population in 1200? What is it now?
Everyone at that time who lived long enough to reproduce has a whole lot of descendants. Alpha males have more descendants than other males.
What's so odd?

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ronb
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posted 06 March 2003 04:12 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Charlemagne is MY greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrampa.
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paxamillion
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posted 06 March 2003 06:15 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My ex believes I am the reincarnation of Gengis Khan. b
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nonsuch
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posted 06 March 2003 07:39 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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My ex believes I am the reincarnation of Gengis Khan

What a compliment!
As alpha males go, he was a champion worth trying to beat.
Okay, as a husband, he might have been less than perfect...

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Michelle
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posted 06 March 2003 08:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
the explanatory theories on offer are inadequate.

Oh come on. It's much more fun to think my ex could be related to Genghis Khan. It would explain so much.


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