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bigcitygal
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posted 22 September 2008 06:12 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found this on the blog resistracism.


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Here’s the cover image. That’s McCain’s entire brood. Two of his children were the biological children of his first wife; he adopted them. One is their biological daughter. He has four kids with his current wife. Three biological children and one daughter adopted from Bangladesh. That’s her sitting at Cindy McCain’s right in the lowest position.


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From the blog's comments: Bridget’s placement and the placement of all the McCain children seem to be quite strategic and telling. On the one side, you have John and Cindy with their “real” children. Fold the magazine in half and you’ve got the perfect family portrait - two White parents with their three White biological offspring with the caption “The Real McCains.” The fake McCains are on the other side of the spread. Of lesser significance are McCain’s other three White children - technically McCains, but not real McCains since they’re from a different marriage - placed on the other side of the sofa. Of least import, the most “fake” McCain, the obviously not White adopted one sitting on the floor.

Ick.

resistracism's comments on the People cover

resistracism's comments on the inside photo spread


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posted 22 September 2008 06:24 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And if you enlarge the image of the green plant in the background 600% you can make out the letters "BOMB IRAN" hidden in the foliage.
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posted 22 September 2008 06:28 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why so hostile, M?

You think that images of the white McCain family, with parts excised, don't matter to the myth of the white nuclear family? Pun intended?


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posted 22 September 2008 06:48 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With so many good reasons available to us to criticize John McCain, I just think it's really grasping at straws to suggest that there is some subliminal message contained in his family photograph. Typically, photographs for a magazine like this are posed by the photographer.

You will note that the cover photo (seen by more people than the inside photo) exhibits no such characteristics of the apartheid that you are so eager to believe was intended in the other picture. [ETA: Although if you fold it diagonally, you can actually get all the females on one side of the fold and all the males on the other. Coincidence? You decide.]

Subtlety is not one of the first 50 characteristics that spring to mind when considering the McCain campaign. There's plenty of stuff to hammer him on, without looking for transgressions that are plausibly deniable and just make his critics look desperate and petty.

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I tend to agree. There are so many things that suck about McCain that I don't think you need to get into personal stuff about his family. I really saw nothing racist about it. I ahve no doubt taht McCain is a good father who loves all of his children regardless of when or how they came to be a part of his family.
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There are lots of threads about the ins and outs of McCain's politics. If this thread is irrelevant than I suggest you don't post here. I chose to post this in the media thread for a reason.

There's no debate, btw: the photos are racist. Tell me why the adopted brown daughter is sitting at her mother's feet in one photo, and on THE FLOOR in the other.

It's not "reaching" at all. It's noting societal norms and looking at them critically. It's People magazine FFS, nothing subtle going on here at all.


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posted 22 September 2008 07:33 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, the very first thing I noticed when I looked at the cover picture was that his racialized adult child is posed way off by herself in the corner of the picture, while the rest of the white faces of his children and wife circle his face.

And then in the second picture, the most obvious thing to me is that his racialized daughter is the only one of all of them who is sitting on the floor.

Seriously, it's the very first thing I noticed when I looked at both pictures, and before I saw what bigcitygal wrote. I think it's blatant.


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posted 22 September 2008 07:41 AM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I get this magazine at work. (don't even go there)

The placement of their adopted daughter was the very first thing I noticed when I opened our maildrawer and that was a week or so ago. So I think there is something to what BCG and others are sayin.


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posted 22 September 2008 07:51 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find this kind of "gotcha politics" really tiresome and counterproductive. Another example of it is in this thread.

In fact, too much of babble is filled with people chortling and clucking their tongues over gaffes, candidate resignations, poll results, nudity, pot-smoking, strategic voting, speculation over strategic alliances after the election, and other topics that completely avoid an actual discussion of election issues. Just look at the list of current topics in the "Canadian Politics" forum.

Most babblers seem to be more interested in trivia and conspiracy theories than substance. I fully expect to see someone breathlessly open a thread about what colour of ties Stephane Dion has been wearing.

Any time someone actually does try to discuss substantive political issues, the thread is either ignored or it gets swarmed with NDP loyalists who insist that the Party and its Leader are correct in every detail, and anybody who disagrees is a shill for the Liberals. See in this regard the threads on Afghanistan and the Environment and the election.

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If this thread is irrelevant than I suggest you don't post here.
I really wish you'd give this kind of shushing of dissenters a rest. Beleieve it or not, not everyone has to agree with you or shut up about it.

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posted 22 September 2008 07:56 AM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It doesn't even have to be conscious, but like it or not the placement of the children does say a lot about the real dynamic of that family and how they view the world. In that regards it is revealing.
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So who do you think is the oen being racist? The People magazine photographer who presumably staged the photo? Or John McCain and/or his wife? I'd be really ahrd-pressed to believe that McCain, for all of his faults and all of our disagreements, harbours some sort of racial animosity towards his own daughter.
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Of course there are many, many things that can be discussed about the McCain campaign. Whether this is a purposeful strategy or as BCG commented on a reflection on societal norms is a question and I don't see problem with people discussing it.

The current campaign IS playing on race and their are numerous examples out there of these more subtle tactics. Most of which don't see the light of day, unless one digs deeper. The 'muslim' meme is being pushed again, through emails and through what appears to be a conscious effort to blanket comment and discussion boards with the question. It's noticbly picked up in the past weeks.

This is coupled with stations like Fox doing 'fear' reports on the Terrorist threats to America and a pick up in that type of talk on Right Wing Radio. Over the past week millions of voters in swing states have received an DVD with there newspapers on, Islam an it's threat to America, that's been put out by a pro-Israeli Clarion Foundation.

In Evengelical realms there's a whole, 'Obama is the Anti-Christ' belief floating around and pushed and the campaign is using that. They even put out an ad this summer with subtle messaging on the meme. His 'race' is interconnected with this one as well.
Time Mag Article

What's even worse and incredible is that Palin, in this realm is being pushed as the 'One' who has been picked by God to fight this anti-christ. So again you have the 'white' vs the 'black'. 'Light vs. dark' 'good vs evil' in a religious sense and as incredible as it may sound people are buying this as a basis for their vote.


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It's not about finding someone to blame for being racist. It's about how people consciously or unconsciously think.

I have no idea whether there was a conscious effort to say, "Hey, let's put the only person of colour in the family way down in the bottom corner of the picture and everyone else in the top half - and let's get her to sit on the floor while everyone else is seated or standing."

I don't know. Maybe there was, maybe there wasn't. But even if there wasn't, just the fact that they unconsciously decided that this composition is pleasing to the eye, where the one person of colour is marginalized in both photographs, is something that is valuable to note.

And if it WAS conscious, then obviously the blame is shared between the photographer who posed them, and the family, particularly McCain, for going along with it.


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McCain's canadian daughter is pushed way off to the side away from mcCain in one photo. Should we interpret something from that regarding his attitude towards Canada?
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posted 22 September 2008 08:10 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whatever.
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posted 22 September 2008 08:11 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I have no idea whether there was a conscious effort to say, "Hey, let's put the only person of colour in the family way down in the bottom corner of the picture and everyone else in the top half - and let's get her to sit on the floor while everyone else is seated or standing."
Thank you. Michelle. And neither does anyone else.

This is such a stupid game. That's why it reminds me so much of the "subconscious" nonsense that Wilson Brian Key and Vance Packard made a fortune out of back in the '70's.

It started out with an attempt to draw a line between the "real" McCains and the adopted ones. I guess that one is simply too indefensible, so people are now focusing on the one racialized person in the photograph in order to find the hidden meaning behind her placement.

It would be just as possible to draw inferences from the fact that she is one of the closest people to the mother in both photos. I'm sure that if the People Magazine photgrapher had stuck her in the back behind the couch or behind the parents that would be a cause for condemnation as well.

Maybe the Bangladeshi daughter is the shortest person: photographers always want to put the short people in front. Like I said, it's a stupid game.

I'm convinced McCain is a racist, but I don't need to speculate about how he feels about his adopted daughter in order to prove that.


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posted 22 September 2008 08:11 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
M, as hard as it may be to believe, this isn't "gotcha" politics. It's something that struck a chord in me, and I posted it. I'm allowed to do that.

Suggesting you post elsewhere with your negativity and condescension isn't shushing you, it's trying to make space for responses from people who actually want to talk about what the thread is about.

Your issues with babble and NDP politics and trying to get to more substantial levels have nothing to do with this thread, or me and don't belong in this thread.

Star Spang, the issues of interracial adoption are huge and vast. There have been threads about it on babble which offer lots of sides of this issue, with links.

As to the issue, many of the points about "family" link to the Tim Wise article that Michelle posted here.


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posted 22 September 2008 08:17 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by M. Spector:
It would be just as possible to draw inferences from the fact that she is one of the closest people to the mother in both photos.

Except that she's not the closest person to her mother in either photo. And in both photos, she is the furthest and second-furthest from her father, the candidate.


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posted 22 September 2008 08:19 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've made my point. Enjoy your thread.
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In the second photo, she seems to be the fourth furthest. I also remember that during the convention coverage, she was always seen on tv.

I mean, you can arrange family photos any number of ways whetehr it's oldest to youngest, shortest to tallest, etc. In my families albums, there are probably photos where one eprson is furthest away or anotehr is. I really don't read very much into thsoe or these.

Like I said, I can't stand McCain and sure as hell hope he never becomes president. But I don't think the dynamics of his family need to be picked apart by people who have enver met them.


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The composition struck me as well. At the least, I'm surprised that a handler didn't anticipate the optics. Or...that's what they wanted to do.

In fairness, though, both positions are ALSO not uncommon for a youngest child, which I'm pretty sure she is.


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posted 22 September 2008 08:31 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stop Dog Whistle Racism

Very cool blog on racism in the US election. I've not ever heard of the term "dog whistle racism" before. Learn something new everyday.

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StopDogWhistleRacism.com is a non-partisan research project of the Center for Social Inclusion that examines the way that race figures implicitly in many political discussions. For 50 years, political figures have introduced tacit appeals to racial hostility – references to “law and order,” “welfare queens” and other implicit evocations of racial stereotypes – into political discourse. But while there has been much commentary and analysis around specific instances, rarely is there an effort to educate the public about the pervasiveness of the problem
The aim of this site is to document the full scope of symbolic racism in our political discourse by bringing collecting and preserving news and commentary on Dog Whistle Racism, elections, and policy.

Dog Whistle racism – also known as symbolic racism – is political campaigning or policy-making that uses coded words and themes that appeal to conscious or subconscious racist concepts and frames.



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posted 22 September 2008 08:36 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some useful history on the role played by McCain's daughter in the 2000 primaries.

Dirty Tricks, South Carolina and John McCain

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Eight years ago this month, John McCain took the New Hampshire primary and was favored to win in South Carolina. Had he succeeded, he would likely have thwarted the presidential aspirations of George W. Bush and become the Republican nominee. But Bush strategist Karl Rove came to the rescue with a vicious smear tactic.

Rove invented a uniquely injurious fiction for his operatives to circulate via a phony poll. Voters were asked, "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain...if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" This was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh.

It worked. Owing largely to the Rove-orchestrated whispering campaign, Bush prevailed in South Carolina and secured the Republican nomination. The rest is history--specifically the tragic and blighted history of our young century. It worked in another way as well. Too shaken to defend himself, McCain emerged from the bruising episode less maverick reformer and more Manchurian candidate.



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quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
Stop Dog Whistle Racism

Very cool blog on racism in the US election. I've not ever heard of the term "dog whistle racism" before. Learn something new everyday.


Great find! I've been reading references to the term but wasn't exactly sure what people were talking about.


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Yeah, they use the term "dog whistle" to describe any kind of implicit pandering that they wouldn't get away with if they did it explicitly. So they do it with regards to sexism and homophobia and other "isms" as well. It's a wonderfully expressive term!
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Brilliant term! It's a classic republican strategy down here in the South.
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Originally posted by Star Spangled Canadian:
Brilliant term! It's a classic republican strategy down here in the South.

Whereabouts in Virginia are you? I used to visit my gf in Winchester, home of Patsy Cline, with side trips to Richmond, and also through West Virginia (Harper's Ferry).


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I'm in Charlottesville, teaching at University of Virginia, the most beautiful plot of land you could ever imagine.
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Virginia has my favourite slogan:

Besides Winchester and Richmond, I've also been to (gorgeous) Alexandria and Fairfax in Virginia. Never Charlottesville. Is Charlottesville really nicer than Alexandria?

I love the Apple Blossom Festival in Winchester - I'd love to return.


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Olde Towne Alexandria is jsut gorgeous. It's one of the coolest urban centres I've ever seen. Richmond is also a fantastic city with ebautiful architecture.

Charlotesville is more rural and nature-y. The whole Shenandoah Valley is jsut an amazing palce if you like going for hikes, camping, that sort of thing. Walking through there right now in the fall is a feast for the senses. The ebst part of Charlottesville is teh UVA campus, which I think is the nicest I've ever seen in North America. It was designed by Thomas Jefferson himself and is just amazing. I don't think a day goes by when I don't look around for a moment and feel amazed that i actually get to work here every day. If you ever get teh chance to visit, don't pass it up.


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Originally posted by Star Spangled Canadian:

If you ever get the chance to visit (Charlottesville), don't pass it up.

I'd love to, because I love the Shenandoah. My memory isn't clear on this, but I believe I've been to Fredericksburg as well. A friend attended VTS in Alexandria and gave me the tour of the city - absolutely gorgeous!


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My wife went to school at james Madison University which is in Harrisonburg, which is also gorgeous. You feel like you're on the set of Gone with the Wind. It's jsut stunning. We actually got married on that campus in the alrgest garden in the state. I tell you, I can't stand red state politics for the most part but there's no part of the country more beautiful than the old south.
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Virginia is my second favourite state - the first is New Mexico. I love how you can drive through the desert and land up in the Rockies. I used to bunk down in Ruidoso back in the day, although I've been to every NM community from Albuquerque right to the state of Arizona. I couldn't live in Virginia, though - just too damn hot, as is the NM desert. At least NM has the Rockies.
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CNN is talking about McCain's 13 cars. A few months ago they were talking about his seven houses. Being married to a beer hieress has its perks, eh? (less we forget, John Kerry is married to the Heinz hieress and IIRC the two had multiple houses as well during his run for the pres)
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Can we please get back on topic? Thanks.
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Yeah, and while we're on the topic of that picture of McCain's lynch mob, we might ask why one of the most popular (I don't know if it's "widely read," since most people who pick it up just look at the pictures) magazines in the USA is doing a piece on what a swell family guy McCain is.
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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
Yeah, and while we're on the topic of that picture of McCain's lynch mob, we might ask why one of the most popular (I don't know if it's "widely read," since most people who pick it up just look at the pictures) magazines in the USA is doing a piece on what a swell family guy McCain is.

They also did one on Obama


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quote:
Originally posted by Bookish Agrarian:
It doesn't even have to be conscious, but like it or not the placement of the children does say a lot about the real dynamic of that family and how they view the world. In that regards it is revealing.

They probably didn't arrange themselves that way, the photographer would have done it.


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The People pictures are very disappointing. Popele Magazine appeals to an uneducated crowd already, so their picture will permeate soft mush.
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