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flotsom
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posted 06 October 2002 11:23 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well my friends, the super-computer that burned 'DeepBlue' is down 1.5 to 0.5 against the Russian grandmaster Vladimir Kramnik.

It's a good bet that by the time all the chairs are stacked away again 'DeepFritz' will be joining his little brother at the bottom of that big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in.

Here is a glimpse of the man who goes to battle for us all. (yes, even for programmers )

Vladimir Kramnik

quote:
It wasn't completely one-sided. Fritz fought back and shocked Kramnik with some typical computer tactics. In the press conference he admitted that he never imagined 27…Bc4+! and the tactics that followed. "Only a computer would find and play something like that," Kramnik said, "I was completely shocked."

Below you will find in-depth coverage.

Scroll down to find the full annotated game as well.

here

[ October 07, 2002: Message edited by: flotsom ]


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flotsom
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posted 07 October 2002 01:13 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The link that follows goes to where the two links above were supposed to go.

better link

Vladimir Kramnik is an oddity, even in the rare world of chess grandmasters, where quirks and eccentricities are neither.

from the guardian

Solid links with info and annotation of world champion Kramnik's vanquishing of former world champion and fifteen year tutour Gary Kasparovhere

A great link:

Fascinating info, and historical record of masterplay.


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posted 09 October 2002 12:32 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kramnik crushes 'deep fritz' yet again.

2.5 to 0.5 for Vladdy.

Today it took the world champion 51 moves after an aggressive opening. (Scots)

Play resumes tomorrow.

The games can be watched live... here


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posted 13 October 2002 12:27 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
fritz draws in game four

3 to 1 for vladimir kramnik.

Annotation on Javascript board for:

game one

game two

game three

game four

(annotation and commentary by Grandmaster Karsten Müller)

Enjoy!


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posted 14 October 2002 12:39 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't follow chess, but I love the thread title... I suppose you had in mind "Rumble in the Jungle," "Thrilla in Manila" and like that?
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flotsom
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posted 14 October 2002 03:09 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, believe it or not 'lance, the organizers of the event dubbed it such.
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'lance
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posted 14 October 2002 10:51 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh. Well, I still like it.

The world of competitive chess is quite a bizarre one. Or so I concluded after reading a Granta piece about it a few years ago, written by (I think) Julian Barnes. It was when the world championship was being held in England, and an English grandmaster, for the first time in living memory, had a chance of winning. He didn't, but anyway.

Barnes (if it was he) was particularly struck by the combination of hyper-intellectuality and schoolyard brutality in the language the players used. His story was called, after a favoured "tactic" these guys liked to use: "Trap. Dominate. Fuck."


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posted 14 October 2002 01:53 PM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Brains in Bahrain."

It has a vigourously animated metre, dunnit?

Like a heavy object landing on a tight rubber surface only to spring away again.

A medicine ball?

"Buh-bump...ba...raaiinn."

*elbow inadvertently depresses the 'Brixton Button'*

"Suffink loi 'at."

Ooops.

I believe there are variations of chess and proto-chess games that avoid the obvious and overtly military-like and potentially spirit-crushing competitiveness of chess (Arabian shatranj for example) that I also find repelling, and object to, strongly.

The game innevitably degenerates and falls into this hyper-competitive, martial-linear mode due to the presence of structural errors that rob chess of its potential for elegance.

For one example, the basic rook and king moves are simple and elegant, then the rules for castling intrude like extraneous points and lines in a geometry proof.

There are no less than five pawn rules.

Elegance, in the case of chess, is sacrificed for the sake of drama.

Too often the drama takes these essentially violent overtones, and all that this sets into motion that you alluded to, and for these same reasons I no longer enjoy to play.

Chess is, however, undoubtably, a game of compelling drama, hence this thread.

But chess is far from perfect.

The game of GO is perfect.

That's a whole other thread.

trivia - GO is said to have more permutations than the universe has atoms: 10 to the 200th power.


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posted 16 October 2002 02:26 AM      Profile for flotsom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apologies to the many ardent followers of our intrepid hero, Vladimir Kramnik, in his struggle against the devil's own device. I've been a tad remiss in my absence.

Games five and six have not boded well at all for the silly human and the score now stands tied, at 3 points apiece.

Game five

Game six


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