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posted 24 March 2003 01:06 PM      Profile for Moredreads     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
U.S. Says Two-Man Crew of Downed Helicopter Missing

He (Tommy Franks) denied that it had been shot down by farmers but did not say what had forced it out of the air in Iraqi-held territory.

In Achilles in Vietnam -- Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character, psychiatrist Jonathon Shay postulates that a significant factor in the dissolution of the US army as a fighting force in Vietnam was the fact that soldiers were taught to underestimate the ability of the enemy to fight back. The reality of the fierce Vietnames resistance was in direct contradiction to conception of the Vietnamese as a backward, demoralized and inferior fighting force who would be a push over for the technically superior US army. This arrogance led US soldiers and junior officers repeatedly into lethal situations that led eventually to a loss of confidence in the higher echelons of command.

Further, he suggests that this arrogance, which was inculcated into each US soldier reinforced the failure response of US soldiers who later suffered from PTSD.

Has the US underestimated Iraqi resistance and could a similar arrogance, as expressed by Tommy Franks above, lead to demoralization of the present US invasion force should the war be prolonged?

From: Canada | Registered: Nov 2002  |  IP: Logged
Babbler # 490

posted 24 March 2003 03:44 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh crap.

Each piece of news I see about the difficulties the US is facing make me less and less sanguine about North America's ability to hold itself together through the next few years.

I know it sounds alarmist, but what happens when, as in the 1970s, thousands of troops start coming back home suffering from drug addiction, low morale and high suicide rates?

From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
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posted 24 March 2003 04:21 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
one of the most frightening parts of the vietnam conflict was the inability to control any piece of territory your not sitting on with a lot of fire-power. how does that translate into a social system?
there will be a cost to this which will outlive us all, and a war on terrorism is not winable in any conventional sense. the consequences for neo-liberal globalization will be interesting to watch from within fortress north america. better start stock-piling the duct-tape and bottled water.
who will you yrust, when the yanks run out in ten years, or is assimilation inevitable under a regime of fear and violence.

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