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Jingles
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posted 02 February 2003 09:39 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watching CBC today, they had a story about an American who was upset that Canadians (in a poll) consider GW the biggest threat to world peace. He said that Canadians were anti-American fools. He also said that because Bush was "the elected president" that to be anti-Bush was the same as anti-American.

My question to all our great American Babblers is: Why is bad-mouthing the President (no matter who it may be) considered treasonous, or even sacreligious or blasphemous? Is this a common attitude among Americans, or is it limited to more, er.. extreme partisans?

Up here, if I was to say the PM was a stupid prick, most people would say "well, yeah", some would say "yeah, but he is doing a good job". But you'll never get someone who will say, as one American on the street in the TV program said "I will follow my President", right or wrong.

Any thoughts?


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Mycroft_
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posted 02 February 2003 11:13 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
. He also said that because Bush was "the elected president" that to be anti-Bush was the same as anti-American.

Funny how quickly people forget that Bush was selected by the Supreme Court rather than elected.

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DrConway
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posted 03 February 2003 01:46 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never fully understood why either, but someone suggested that Americans have a misplaced desire for royalty or some sort of divine leader and the closest they get to that is by revering the office of the President.
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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 03 February 2003 04:12 AM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, part of the difference (although not applicable in G.W.'s case) has to be that we don't actually elect our PM. He or she is simply the leader of the elected party.

If you had a president who was overwhelmingly voted in specifically to be the embodiment of the USAmerican nation, then I can see how slagging him (or her) could be considered an insult. I don't agree, of course, but I can see it. How do other countries who elect their heads of state react to such criticism, I wonder?


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ben_al
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posted 03 February 2003 04:15 PM      Profile for ben_al     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why is it treasonous/blasphemous, etc to bad-mouth the Prez? That's an easy one. GW was appointed by 'God' to lead the free world against the evil, WMD building, oil rich dictatorship of Iraq, the leader of which is the spawn of satan himself.
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josh
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posted 03 February 2003 04:25 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First, Bush was not elected. He was selected.

Second, it is only treasonous to bad mouth the president when the president is a Republican.


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paxamillion
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posted 03 February 2003 04:26 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps Mr. Bush ought to pay a little bit of attention to this passage of the New Testament, known as the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats:

quote:
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


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Adam Smith
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posted 03 February 2003 09:07 PM      Profile for Adam Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it has to do with the fact that in Canada the head of state and head of government aren't one and the same while in the US they are. In Canada the governor general is completly non-partisan so people have no reason to be angry at her. While on the other hand our head of government, the PM is partisan and therefore people really don't have to respect him. Heads of state are supposed to represent the state. Heads of government are not, they are supposed to run the governemnt. In the US the same person does both jobs.
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'lance
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posted 03 February 2003 11:00 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Funny how quickly people forget that Bush was selected by the Supreme Court rather than elected.

quote:
First, Bush was not elected. He was selected.

Gentlemen, please. Bush most certainly was elected.

Admittedly, he was elected five to four, but that's democracy, isn't it? Sometimes consensus just isn't in the cards, and the decision's in the hands of a bare majority.

Little outcroppings like buddy's shouts of "treason" aside, I think Chesterton was right when he said (more or less) "America is a democracy, not in the political sense of having a democratic form of government, but in the moral sense of being composed of democrats."

I think Americans, whatever their government gets up to, are still pretty democratic, take it all around. Then again, some like our friend above ("to be against Bush is to be against America") seem to have despaired of democracy, or maybe never much believed in it in the first place. If he'd be happier with a pure Empire than any vestige of a Republic, he just might get his wish. Or so I sometimes fear.


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