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Wee Mousie
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posted 09 April 2006 04:20 AM      Profile for Wee Mousie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
by John Noble Wilford
April 6, 2006

Scientists have discovered fossils of a 375-million-year-old fish, a large scaly creature not seen before, that they say is a long-sought missing link in the evolution of some fishes from water to a life walking on four limbs on land.

In two reports today in the journal Nature, a team of scientists led by Neil H. Shubin of the University of Chicago say they have uncovered several well-preserved skeletons of the fossil fish in sediments of former streambeds in the Canadian Arctic, 600 miles from the North Pole.

The skeletons have the fins, scales and other attributes of a giant fish, four to nine feet long. But on closer examination, the scientists found telling anatomical traits of a transitional creature, a fish that is still a fish but has changes that anticipate the emergence of land animals — and is thus a predecessor of amphibians, reptiles and dinosaurs, mammals and eventually humans. . . .

. . . Dr. Shubin's team played down the fossil's significance in the raging debate over Darwinian theory, which is opposed mainly by some conservative Christians in this country, but other scientists were not so reticent. They said this should undercut the argument that there is no evidence in the fossil record of one kind of creature becoming another kind. . . .



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Hephaestion
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posted 09 April 2006 04:59 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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... they have uncovered several well-preserved skeletons of the fossil fish in sediments of former streambeds in the Canadian Arctic...


Damn those gawdless Canadians! First socialised medicine, then gay marriage, now THIS! Commies!

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Radical Progressive
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posted 09 April 2006 05:52 AM      Profile for Radical Progressive        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Damn those gawdless Canadians!..

Huh?
"Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God"
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also:
It seems a common mistake among babblers to assume that only lefties are evolutionists, while all righties are Christian fundamentalists.
Just stick to what one knows and one will stay credible.


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Hephaestion
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posted 09 April 2006 06:12 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear "Radical Progressive":

I am so sorry to learn of your disability. I was not thinking ahead for the humour-impaired when I was writing my post. Try this... it might help.

PS: Why do you fellahs always list your location as "Canada"? Is it in Chapter One of "Trolling for Dummies", or what?

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Radical Progressive
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posted 09 April 2006 07:16 AM      Profile for Radical Progressive        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
..Why do you fellahs always list your location as "Canada"?..

My location is at least a location.

Not sure about the trolling thing. I'm just trying to be a true radical and a true progressive.
As in "unconventional", "going to the origin", "characterized by advancement", and "characterized by striving for change and innovation, avant-garde, liberal".

Btw, ones jokes are typically quite telling.


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Hephaestion
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posted 09 April 2006 08:28 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*slaps hand*

Don't... feed... the...

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Reality. Bites.
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posted 09 April 2006 09:04 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Radical Progressive:
Btw, ones jokes are typically quite telling.

Not as telling as someone having PMs turned off. That's virtually a guarantee you're a right-wing troll who will, thankfully, soon cross the line and be banned.

Let me be the first to say you won't be missed.


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Hephaestion
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posted 09 April 2006 09:16 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
,,, like you couldn't tell from one of its other posts. And that location line -- I swear it *must* be in Chapter One of their manual.

That's the most tedious thing about these Harpokon knuckle-draggers -- they have such a paucity of imagination and a dearth of creativity that there's not even any real challenge (forget about *fun*) when they start trying to troll. They're just aggravating, and a nuisance, rather like stinkbugs at a barbecue. Sad, that this is the best they can come up with, really. Pathetic, even.

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Radical Progressive
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posted 09 April 2006 10:17 AM      Profile for Radical Progressive        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
..That's the most tedious thing about these Harpokon knuckle-draggers -- they have such a paucity of imagination and a dearth of creativity that there's not even any real challenge (forget about *fun*) when they start trying to troll. They're just aggravating, and a nuisance, rather like stinkbugs at a barbecue. Sad, that this is the best they can come up with, really. Pathetic, even.

Didn't you sleep ok last night?


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Hephaestion
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posted 09 April 2006 10:40 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So anyway, I fully expect the mouth-breathers who vote for and support Little Boots to blithely ignore this, and any other evidence. As evidenced by the story in the Bill Nye thread, they have no problem with getting huffy with anyone who dares suggest that the moon does not create its own light, so ignoring this finding (or claiming it was "planted by Satan to confuse weak minds") is just old hat for the hypocristians.I don't expect this evidence to change very many minds at all, especially amongst the wilfully stupid.

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maestro
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posted 09 April 2006 04:15 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was an unbelieveably stupid editorial in the Vancouver Province today re: the 'missing link' fish. It's locked up, so I'll just post a few quotes directly from the paper.

quote:
'Ancient fish fossil tips the scales in favour of evolution.'

...And yet, while evolution as first conceived of by Charles Darwin in the 19th century is generally accepted as explaining the origins of man, not everyone is convinced.

...We cannot say with certainty whether one theory (evolution) or another (intelligent design) is correct, though tiktaalik rosea seems to tip the balance in favour of evolution.

What we can say is that piecing together the long-buried bones of the walking fish my help resolve the amazing riddle that is the origin of humankind.


'Tips the scales in favour of evolution'? Yeah, like there's currently a number of different explanations for the flora and fauna of the world, and this find will sort of help one theory out a bit. Breathtaking.

Oh well, I've long since come to the conclusion that the Province is run by the terminally naive, and this just reinforces my belief.

I'll just add that any fossil which is not exactly like a fossil already found is a 'missing link'. There is nothing special about 'missing links' except that they are intermediate between other already recovered fossils.

Any fossil which is intermediate is a 'missing link', but the science of evolution already has plenty of evidence of the evolution of life on earth. Missing links are great to find, but they don't offer much more than confirmatory detail of the overall picture.

Of course, they're very interesting in themselves, and worthy of study, but they are not necessary to 'prove' the theory of evolution. That has long since happened. The discovery of DNA was probably the single most important piece of evidence supporting the theory of evolution.


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fern hill
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posted 09 April 2006 05:34 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just learned something over on the Dark Site. No, really. They're discussing this fossil with their usual dimwittedness, but something one of them said made a lightbulb go off.

The poster referred to the one-eyed cat (mentioned in another thread here as the centrepiece of a new museum of creationism). I didn't understand why a one-eyed cat would feature in a creationism museum. Now I do.

See, if evolution were 'correct', then freaks and chimeras would live and prosper and presumably breed more of themselves. (Just leave the lunacy of that for a moment.) This cat was 'wrong' so it died.

These people cannot accept evolution because it would mean that nothing is 'wrong'.
Not even homosexuals!!! The poster over there made this explicit.

Holy moly.


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deBeauxOs
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posted 09 April 2006 07:20 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thus the very existence of the Freak Dumb-minion and its participants demonstrates that evolution happens, alas.

According to 'Intelligent Design', those dimwits over on the Dark Side would not and could not breed and replicate themselves because they are, individually and collectively, so very wrong!

quote:
posted by fern hill: ... See, if evolution were 'correct', then freaks and chimeras would live and prosper and presumably breed more of themselves. (Just leave the lunacy of that for a moment.) This cat was 'wrong' so it died.

These people cannot accept evolution because it would mean that nothing is 'wrong'.


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Wee Mousie
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posted 09 April 2006 08:07 PM      Profile for Wee Mousie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
. . . I didn't understand why a one-eyed cat would feature in a creationism museum . . . This cat was 'wrong' so it died. . .

Actually, wherever there existed a competitive advantage in favour of the one-eyed cat over its two-eyed fellow, evolution might have favoured the feline cyclops.

In such a case, there would need to be some advantage more crucial to survival than depth perception.

It occurs to me that had there been a contemporary one-horned predator which attacked felines by striking them between the eyes, all one-eyed cats that had learned to travel side by side in pairs might more readily escape their fearsome adversary.


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Serendipity
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posted 09 April 2006 08:16 PM      Profile for Serendipity     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
I just learned something over on the Dark Site. No, really. They're discussing this fossil with their usual dimwittedness, but something one of them said made a lightbulb go off.

The poster referred to the one-eyed cat (mentioned in another thread here as the centrepiece of a new museum of creationism). I didn't understand why a one-eyed cat would feature in a creationism museum. Now I do.

See, if evolution were 'correct', then freaks and chimeras would live and prosper and presumably breed more of themselves. (Just leave the lunacy of that for a moment.) This cat was 'wrong' so it died.

These people cannot accept evolution because it would mean that nothing is 'wrong'.
Not even homosexuals!!! The poster over there made this explicit.

Holy moly.


It actually hurt when I'd tried to understand the logic behind at.


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Hephaestion
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posted 10 April 2006 03:23 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Serendipity:

It actually hurt when I'd tried to understand the logic behind at.



Of course it did. Because there IS no "logic behind it". Or even within a 20-block radius of it.

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maestro
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posted 10 April 2006 03:28 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of my favourite cartoons of all time.

God picking up lumps of clay, rolling them between his palms, and then tossing them on a conveyor belt, saying, "Wow, these are easy!"

(snakes)


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Hephaestion
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posted 10 April 2006 03:49 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
maestro--

IIRC, that was a "Far Side" cartoon, no?

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Contrarian
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posted 10 April 2006 04:19 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like the one of God pulling a pan containing Earth out of the oven and thinking: "I have a feeling this thing is only half baked."
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anne cameron
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posted 10 April 2006 11:35 AM      Profile for anne cameron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like the image of the two one-eyed cats walking side-by-each. I see them with their tails entwined, sort'a kind'a a cat version of holding hands. And here comes the one-horned critter, charging..and the cats each take one step aside, the beast goes through the gap, continues on at full speed and rams it's horn through the withered heart of the first evolutionized troll. And that's the evolutionary end of the freak dominionators.
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posted 10 April 2006 12:15 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fossil Found Linking Sea to Land Animals

This is news? That fossil was found 6 years ago.


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Fidel
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posted 10 April 2006 12:30 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

I liked the one with the cows standing in the field and chatting. And then one cow says, "car!"


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Michelle
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posted 13 April 2006 11:20 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A US view: Who's the fossil?

quote:
A fossil discovered in Canada may prove to be the missing link in the puzzle as to how fish evolved into land-dwelling animals. Such a find would have been problematic in the U.S. where, in the same week of Tiktaalik roseae's unveiling, TV's Bill Nye the Science Guy was heckled in Texas when he criticized a literal interpretation of a verse from Genesis. I know, sometimes the irony just writes itself.

Keith Gottschalk


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ziggy
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posted 13 April 2006 11:36 PM      Profile for ziggy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wee Mousie:
[QB][/QB]

I got a whack of fossills,ammonite's,belemite's other really cool stuff.

Most museums would be jelous


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