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Snuckles
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posted 11 November 2004 07:32 PM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Blinded By Science
How ‘Balanced’ Coverage Lets the Scientific Fringe Hijack Reality

By Chris Mooney

On May 22, 2003, the Los Angeles Times printed a front-page story by Scott Gold, its respected Houston bureau chief, about the passage of a law in Texas requiring abortion doctors to warn women that the procedure might cause breast cancer. Virtually no mainstream scientist believes that the so-called ABC link actually exists — only anti-abortion activists do. Accordingly, Gold’s article noted right off the bat that the American Cancer Society discounts the “alleged link” and that anti-abortionists have pushed for “so-called counseling” laws only after failing in their attempts to have abortion banned. Gold also reported that the National Cancer Institute had convened “more than a hundred of the world’s experts” to assess the ABC theory, which they rejected. In comparison to these scientists, Gold noted, the author of the Texas counseling bill — who called the ABC issue “still disputed” — had “a professional background in property management.”

Gold’s piece was hard-hitting but accurate. The scientific consensus is quite firm that abortion does not cause breast cancer. If reporters want to take science and its conclusions seriously, their reporting should reflect this reality — no matter what anti-abortionists say.


Read it here.


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Cougyr
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posted 11 November 2004 07:41 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I feel like we're headed back to the middle ages with religious dogma taking priority over science.
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posted 11 November 2004 07:51 PM      Profile for Secret Agent Style        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cougyr:
I feel like we're headed back to the middle ages with religious dogma taking priority over science.

He's a witch!
Burn him! Burn Him!

[ 11 November 2004: Message edited by: Andy Social ]


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Hephaestion
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posted 12 November 2004 01:52 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*In best Sir Bedevere voice, tilting up carrot nose to peer underneath*

Is the nose....ahhh.... original?


*crowd shuffles*


(tentatively) Well... we did.... do the nose...


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 12 November 2004 02:49 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Attached as a rider on the new law is a second requirement, that doctors and high school coaches must inform all boys between 12 and 18 that masturbating will indeed cause blindness, and that according to local bylaws, "shaking it" more than three times officially constitutes "playing with it".
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Hailey
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posted 12 November 2004 02:50 AM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is no credible link between breast cancer and abortion. Women should not be told this information because it's not true.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 12 November 2004 04:57 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hailey:
There is no credible link between breast cancer and abortion. Women should not be told this information because it's not true.

/obvious


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Michelle
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posted 12 November 2004 07:51 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, it's obvious, but it's significant that someone who is pro-life is stating it, since the pro-life movement is the proponent of the supposed ABC link. It's one thing to be pro-life - it's another thing to make up lies to support pro-life positions. It's nice to see at least one pro-lifer who doesn't do that.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 November 2004 08:50 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In fairness, how many NDP policies have run the gaunlet of skeptical analysis? How many feminist or trade union thinkers are well schooled in what is reasonable to believe and what isn't?

I sometimes dispair that we on the left are not as scientific as we ought to be.

[ 12 November 2004: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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Hephaestion
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posted 12 November 2004 12:38 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
In fairness, how many NDP policies have run the gaunlet of skeptical analysis? How many feminist or trade union thinkers are well schooled in what is reasonable to believe and what isn't?

I sometimes dispair that we on the left are not as scientific as we ought to be.


Scientific socialism???

Can you explain this:

quote:
How many feminist or trade union thinkers are well schooled in what is reasonable to believe and what isn't?

a little more clearly, please? I'm not sure what you mean.


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Agent 204
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posted 12 November 2004 12:49 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think all Tommy's saying is that most such people are nonscientists, and most nonscientists aren't all that well schooled in the scientific method, which is unfortunate.

There's an interesting book called Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences, by John Allen Paulos. It discusses the fact that public ignorance about math, particularly statistics, makes the public vulnerable to misleading claims. I heartily agree.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 12 November 2004 12:55 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and its Consequences

It's available from Indigo for $17.95, but with the 15% GST and PST it should set you back about $30.


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 12 November 2004 01:02 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 November 2004 06:17 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
a little more clearly, please? I'm not sure what you mean.

Well, I could invite a debate where philosophers parachute in to tell me I can't possibly know what the "truth" is, so to avoid such pedantry, I simply assert that science and skepticism can clearly indicate what is reasonable to believe and what isn't.

For example, I wasn't here six thousand years ago to see if the account of creation in Genisis is correct or not. But I can wiegh the evidence, and I can say that it isn't reasonable to believe.

I think political policy can be scientific. Clearly, we can view social policy as "experiments." We can look at results from other juristictions. We can examine evidence: we can craft reasoned policy.

I don't think any political party, lobby group or political organization does this as a rule. At best, it's done in a self serving selective manner.


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Hephaestion
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posted 12 November 2004 07:17 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, I follow all that Tommy, and although there are areas where you would meet stiff opposition in attempting this approach, I imagine it might work quite well in many cases. Can you give a "for instance", or did you not have one in mind?
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