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Doug
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posted 27 October 2004 01:02 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But you'll have to wait a little while...

Allerca expects the first kittens to be born in early 2007 and is already accepting $250 deposits from interested customers.

These particular kittens are going to have the gene that directs the production of the protein that causes most allergies to cats turned off. While that in itself is wonderful news to people like me who'd love to have a cat again but fear the sneezing and wheezing that would result, perhaps there are larger issues here.

Selective breeding has already produced cats with features desirable to people but not always without cost to the cats produced. For example, Persians, with their scrunched-up, flat little faces have trouble breathing more often than other cats. Genetic engineering could possibly do the same thing, so it's worth being careful about.

It's not known, so far as I could find, what the function of Fel d 1, the protein that's being suppressed is, so it's possible, though not necessarily likely, that cats that can't make it will have problems. For that reason - and the cost ($3,500 a kitten) - I don't think I'll be among the first to sign up for one of these.


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Agent 204
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posted 27 October 2004 01:25 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another question- will you be prohibited from breeding from these cats? If your cat escapes before it can be neutered, and reproduces as a result, will you face a lawsuit from the company??
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skdadl
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posted 27 October 2004 01:46 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is despicable. Breeding cats at all is despicable, and pure-breeding is worse.
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Michelle
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posted 27 October 2004 02:01 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm with skdadl on this one. If we believe in the inherent dignity of cats and dogs as living creatures, then we wouldn't be breeding them in order to artificially manipulate them towards traits or characteristics.
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Agent 204
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posted 27 October 2004 02:04 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tend to agree, but where should the line be drawn? What about breeding working dogs (e.g. guide dogs or explosive sniffers)?
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Doug
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posted 27 October 2004 02:04 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
Another question- will you be prohibited from breeding from these cats? If your cat escapes before it can be neutered, and reproduces as a result, will you face a lawsuit from the company??

The cats will come to customers already neutered or spayed, so you couldn't breed them even if you wanted to.


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lagatta
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posted 27 October 2004 02:44 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If humans have allergies to cats, shouldn't the work be done on eliminating the human allergy, not changing the cats?

Although I tend to agree about pure-breeding, I agree that guide dogs and other working animals can be an exception. Mira www.mira.org has found that a cross between Labradors and some other working breeds (nothing in the breed books) have the best characteristics for working with blind and other disabled people.

Cat allergy is a tragedy, though. I'm allergic to many things and really fear I could become allergic to cats one day. A terrifying thought, and not good for the cats I always seem to rescue.


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jeff house
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posted 27 October 2004 04:44 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If humans have allergies to cats, shouldn't the work be done on eliminating the human allergy, not changing the cats?

If so, what will become of the dictum that: "Man is the measure of all things"?


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Rufus Polson
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posted 27 October 2004 05:22 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

The cats will come to customers already neutered or spayed, so you couldn't breed them even if you wanted to.

Of course. Wouldn't want anyone getting in the way of the profit train, now would we? And it's a lot easier than "doomsday" seeds.
But waitaminute . . . already neutered or spayed? What does that mean in terms of the age you'll get them at? Aren't there problems with spaying a cat when she's too young? I'm not sure I want them doing operations on cats when they're tiny kittens, and I'm also not sure I'd want a cat that's been raised by a corporation to near adulthood before I get it. Cats can be neurotic enough as it is, thanks.

On the genetic engineering itself, it could well be worse than it seems. OK, so they turned off this protein and they don't know what it does. That's bad enough. But now consider--how did they turn it off? Did they remove a gene that produces that protein? Or did they remove a promoter gene that enables the gene that produces that protein? In the first case, what other proteins might that gene make? And in the second, what other genes might that promoter enable?
I doubt they have a fucking clue what they're doing.


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posted 27 October 2004 06:04 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A few years ago this breeder in Texas was deliberately breeding these cats who had deformed front paws that were so short (and perhaps boneless) that the poor cat would have to hop around on his or her hind legs like a rabbit. The breeder promoted this "new breed" as ideal for owners who didn't want a cat who would scratch up the furniture. Don't know if the breeder is still in business but there was a huge outcry when the story broke.

Annoyed as I am at people who declaw their cats (many vets now refuse to do this) deliberately breeding cats with non functional front paws is something I found horrifying. Poor things would get clobbered if they ever went outside.

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