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abnormal
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posted 17 August 2006 12:10 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Figured someone might be interested in this. Meanwhile, Grish Perelman, where are you??

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Three years ago, a Russian mathematician by the name of Grigory Perelman, a k a Grisha, in St. Petersburg, announced that he had solved a famous and intractable mathematical problem, known as the Poincaré conjecture, about the nature of space.

After posting a few short papers on the Internet and making a whirlwind lecture tour of the United States, Dr. Perelman disappeared back into the Russian woods in the spring of 2003, leaving the world’s mathematicians to pick up the pieces and decide if he was right.

Now they say they have finished his work, and the evidence is circulating among scholars in the form of three book-length papers with about 1,000 pages of dense mathematics and prose between them.

As a result there is a growing feeling, a cautious optimism that they have finally achieved a landmark not just of mathematics, but of human thought.

“It’s really a great moment in mathematics,” said Bruce Kleiner of Yale, who has spent the last three years helping to explicate Dr. Perelman’s work. “It could have happened 100 years from now, or never.”

In a speech at a conference in Beijing this summer, Shing-Tung Yau of Harvard said the understanding of three-dimensional space brought about by Poincaré’s conjecture could be one of the major pillars of math in the 21st century.

Quoting Poincaré himself, Dr.Yau said, “Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything.”



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Michelle
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posted 17 August 2006 12:28 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's amazing!

If you don't mind, I'm going to move this to humanities and science - if this doesn't fit there, nothing does!


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jeff house
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posted 17 August 2006 01:11 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I get confused with any mathematics which insists on more than two decimal points for the value of pi.

So, I can't tell if this work is correct.

But it is interesting in connection with Kant, of all people. He claimed that the categories of experience, such as the perception of space, could never be placed on a scientific basis.

At first blush, this theory might have implications for that, and thus for deeper philosophical issues.

It will be interesting to follow the discussion.


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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 17 August 2006 01:38 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
[Kant] claimed that the categories of experience, such as the perception of space, could never be placed on a scientific basis.

The perception of space is not one of Kant's "categories of experience". You can look up Kant's Table of Categories in the Critique of Pure Reason, available online here, here, and elsewhere. Kant claims that "by them [the categories] alone can it [the understanding] understand anything in the maniford of intuition [more or less, the perceptual field], that is, think an object of intuition [i.e. an ordinary physical object]." As for the claim that Kant claimed that these categories "could never be placed on a scientific basis" ... well, I am not sure what this means. Kant did think that the objects studied by science (and Kant was well aware of Newtonian physics) were precisely the objects understanding of which requires the categories.


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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 17 August 2006 01:41 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By the way, it's way kewl when an important mathematical conjecture is closed. Ever see the Nova episode on Fermat's Last Theorem?
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abnormal
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posted 17 August 2006 04:57 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I get confused with any mathematics which insists on more than two decimal points for the value of pi.

So, I can't tell if this work is correct.


Can't resist - that's why you're a lawyer??

Fact is, the discussion has apparently been reduced to a few thousand pages of mathematics. Stuff at this level is never straightforward.


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Proaxiom
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posted 18 August 2006 04:28 AM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
]By the way, it's way kewl when an important mathematical conjecture is closed. Ever see the Nova episode on Fermat's Last Theorem?

The book by Simon Singh is a really good read.


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Fact is, the discussion has apparently been reduced to a few thousand pages of mathematics. Stuff at this level is never straightforward.

I doubt there are more than a few dozen people in the world who will ever understand the whole thing.

Working through a proof that size requires a large time investment, even for the brilliant.


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Papal Bull
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posted 18 August 2006 01:44 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pft, I can solve the universe...

But I just don't want to.


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arborman
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posted 18 August 2006 01:54 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:

Fact is, the discussion has apparently been reduced to a few thousand pages of mathematics. Stuff at this level is never straightforward.

Dear God. I really hope the Catholic Church is wrong about the whole hell thing, because I think I just had a flash of what mine would be.

'Solve this, sinner!'

Math and I rarely get along.


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Papal Bull
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posted 18 August 2006 04:30 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nah, Hell involves studying theology. Day in and day out. That's why to theologians Earth is a heaven and heaven has no theology.
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Proaxiom
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posted 18 August 2006 07:59 PM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hell is going to heaven if Mormonism is the true faith.
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Fidel
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posted 19 August 2006 01:57 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who cares about Poincaré?

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Poincaré conjectured that three-dimensional shapes that share certain easy-to-check properties with spheres actually are spheres. What are these properties? My fellow geometer Christina Sormani describes the setup as follows:

The Poincaré Conjecture says, Hey, you've got this alien blob that can ooze its way out of the hold of any lasso you tie around it? Then that blob is just an out-of-shape ball. [Grigory] Perelman and [Columbia University's Richard] Hamilton proved this fact by heating the blob up, making it sing, stretching it like hot mozzarella, and chopping it into a million pieces. In short, the alien ain't no bagel you can swing around with a string through his hole.



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abnormal
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posted 20 August 2006 04:12 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jobless maths whiz living with mother

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A maths genius who won fame last week for apparently spurning a $US1 million prize is living with his mother in a humble flat in St Petersburg, co-existing on her $A75-a-month pension because he has been unemployed since December.

The eccentric recluse stunned the maths world when he solved a century-old puzzle known as the Poincare Conjecture. Grigory "Grisha" Perelman's predicament stems from an acrimonious split with a top Russian mathematical institute in 2003.



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kiwi_chick
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posted 02 September 2006 09:09 AM      Profile for kiwi_chick        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This guy must be suffering from depression or something. He doesn't have a job and stays with his mum on very little money. Too bad he turned down the prize money, it could have helped his mum out. But he is a genius.
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Fidel
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posted 02 September 2006 10:10 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's proof that not all of us are driven by a self-interested pursuit of material gain.

Because if it was, then we'd have enough doctors in Canada.


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