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500_Apples
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posted 15 June 2007 04:01 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Burt Rutan, one of the world's most successful aeronautical engineers, of Scaled Composites and Virgin Galactic, is quoted in this blog being critical of the European Union's new design.

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“Like other spaceship concepts that takeoff from a runway (XCOR and Rocketplane) or those that do rocket-powered vertical launches, the EADS vehicle will weigh more than twice as much (per passenger) as SpaceShipTwo and require more than twice the rocket impulse,” Rutan told me. “This relates to significant increases in operational costs,” he added, also noting that failure modes on ascent tend to be more risky at low altitudes.

“The non-recurring development cost of a suborbital spaceship that has rocket and jet engines — both of which leave the atmosphere and experience reentry — will be far more than our SpaceShipTwo program,” he said.



Spaceship Two

The European Project:

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PARIS - Europe's biggest aerospace company, EADS, has concluded that carrying wealthy tourists to 100 kilometers in altitude for several minutes of weightlessness could be a multibillion-dollar industry in 20 years and is seeking co-investors to build a rocket plane it already has designed.


EADS's Astrium division, prime contractor for Ariane 5 rockets and for Europe's contribution to the international space station, said a group of its engineers has spent two years quietly designing a vehicle that looks like a business jet with exceptionally long wings and a rocket engine powered by liquid methane and liquid oxygen. The company unveiled the project here June 13.


Taking off from an as-yet undetermined spaceport using two conventional jet engines, the plane would climb to 12 kilometers in altitude before its rocket engine ignites, powering the vehicle through the atmosphere and into a coast phase whose 100-kilometer apogee would provide passengers with one and one-half minutes of near-zero-gravity experience.


The round trip would last about 90 minutes. The plane would carry four passengers and a pilot, with the passengers each paying about 200,000 euros ($267,000) for the experience.


http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/AstriumEadsweb_061307.html

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gonzo
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posted 22 June 2007 12:24 PM      Profile for gonzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spaceport in Nova Scotia? Looks like its just hype, but dang wouldn't that be cool if it happened.

http://www.personalspaceflight.info/2006/08/16/spaceport-nova-scotia/


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remind
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posted 22 June 2007 12:51 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Nanuq
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posted 22 June 2007 05:02 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll just wait for the elevator.
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500_Apples
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posted 22 June 2007 05:13 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
nanuq, you'll be waiting a long time. Consider the political, financial, and technological issues... By the end of the decade, low orbit space travel will be skydiving for rich people. And probably more mainstream within a decade or two after that.

I'm not sure if that's genuine technological advancement though...


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gonzo
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posted 22 June 2007 08:48 PM      Profile for gonzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
tat?

So, does that mean that science, space travel, and the eventual evolution of humanity into a spacefaring society is boring, uninspired, shabby, cheap and tasteless? (As per wikipedia's entry for tat).

Or are you just a fan of the band called TAT?

Funny thing is, the only reason I posted is to find out what my babble user number is (I couldn't seem to find it in my profile).

And I posted here, because I figured this was the forum I was least likely to catch any crap about not being part of the "I'm more left than you" babble in-crowd. Funny stuff.


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jrootham
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posted 22 June 2007 10:23 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Today's Active Topics, a link at the top of the page that lists the topics that have been posted in today.
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gonzo
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posted 22 June 2007 11:41 PM      Profile for gonzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My bad... Apologies to remind...

I'm gonna go listen to some TAT the band and try not to get my back up so quick next time.


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