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Joey Kay
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posted 11 February 2006 02:16 AM      Profile for Joey Kay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Haven't seen a posting on this yet...

Story

Harrison is a racist freak... I hope he gets a rash!

[ 11 February 2006: Message edited by: Joey Kay ]


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robbie_dee
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posted 11 February 2006 02:33 AM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
See also this thread.
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primary
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posted 11 February 2006 06:39 PM      Profile for primary        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Joey Kay:
Haven't seen a posting on this yet...

Story

Harrison is a racist freak... I hope he gets a rash!

[ 11 February 2006: Message edited by: Joey Kay ]


How is Harrison a racist freak?


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Malcolm
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posted 11 February 2006 06:48 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Joey Kay:

Harrison is a racist freak... I hope he gets a rash!

[ 11 February 2006: Message edited by: Joey Kay ]


Another Liberal stooge who believes that electoral fraud shouldn't be investigated, I see.


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Wilf Day
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posted 11 February 2006 07:05 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Such a shame. One more Conservative and Harper could not be held hostage by the Bloc (which would be a good thing on breaking child-care contracts, but otherwise problematic.) Or to put it another way, one more Conservative and the NDP would hold the balance of power. Isn't there someone the Liberals would like rid of? Maybe they could offer to trade Tom Wappel for future considerations? Then Harper would have to explain why he's not putting Wappel in the cabinet.
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Joey Kay
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posted 11 February 2006 08:22 PM      Profile for Joey Kay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by primary:

How is Harrison a racist freak?


Well... perhaps an overstatement, I will concede that. He did, after all, put forward that private member's bill in regards to First Nations veterans.

But I (amongst many) was NOT impressed with his comments or reaction to his initial loss.

Bouquets of Gray

Interesting analysis of one of the polls here.

And I'm not so daft as to not admit that there may have been suspect things going on... but Harrison's hissy fit was not parliamentarian.

*edited for grammatical clarity*

[ 12 February 2006: Message edited by: Joey Kay ]


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Joey Kay
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posted 11 February 2006 08:25 PM      Profile for Joey Kay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:

Another Liberal stooge who believes that electoral fraud shouldn't be investigated, I see.


I haven't supported / voted Liberal since '97. Thanks for your insight into my views.


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Malcolm
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posted 11 February 2006 08:49 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Joey Kay:

I haven't supported / voted Liberal since '97. Thanks for your insight into my views.


So then, elucidate.


Your position seems to be that you don't like Jeremy Harrison, therefore allegations of Liberal corruption and intimidation should not be investigated.

Forgive me for mistaking you for a Liberal stooge - but that sure is how it seems.


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the grey
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posted 11 February 2006 09:06 PM      Profile for the grey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
Such a shame. One more Conservative and Harper could not be held hostage by the Bloc (which would be a good thing on breaking child-care contracts, but otherwise problematic.) Or to put it another way, one more Conservative and the NDP would hold the balance of power.

Wilf, they've already got their "one more" -- David Emerson. The numbers are now 125 CPC + 29 NDP = 154; 102 LPC + 51 BQ = 153. Since it's seeming likely that Milliken might stay as speaker, that drops them to 152. (The independent can fall where he may.)


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Adam T
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posted 11 February 2006 09:28 PM      Profile for Adam T     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Malcolm French said:
quote:
Your position seems to be that you don't like Jeremy Harrison, therefore allegations of Liberal corruption and intimidation should not be investigated.

Forgive me for mistaking you for a Liberal stooge - but that sure is how it seems.


I'm just curious Malcolm, do you understand the difference between allegations and serious evidence?


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Wilf Day
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posted 11 February 2006 11:43 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by the grey:
Since it's seeming likely that Milliken might stay as speaker. . .

Will Bill Graham have such little foresight as to let that happen? Yes, they aren't ready for an election yet, but which is more strategic: to have one MP or another away on business until they're ready, or to have an MP irretrievably in the Chair? (Has a Speaker ever resigned in order to help force an election? Would Milliken?)

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Aristotleded24
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posted 12 February 2006 12:13 AM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:
Your position seems to be that you don't like Jeremy Harrison, therefore allegations of Liberal corruption and intimidation should not be investigated.

Forgive me for mistaking you for a Liberal stooge - but that sure is how it seems.


Malcolm, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems to have prevented you from looking at anything rationally.

It is possible to dislike Conservatives, to hope for their defeat, and at the same time want allegations of Liberal corruption investigated. It is also quite likely that since a judicial recount confirmed the Liberal victory, that, like it or not, the Liberals won that riding fairly.


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Joey Kay
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posted 12 February 2006 02:36 AM      Profile for Joey Kay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:

Your position seems to be that you don't like Jeremy Harrison, therefore allegations of Liberal corruption and intimidation should not be investigated.

I never said anything close to that... you're connecting dots that are not there.

Not liking Jeremy Harrison does not mean that I support corruption. That's ridiculous.


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non sequitur
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posted 12 February 2006 01:59 PM      Profile for non sequitur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Aristotleded24:

It is possible to dislike Conservatives, to hope for their defeat, and at the same time want allegations of Liberal corruption investigated. It is also quite likely that since a judicial recount confirmed the Liberal victory, that, like it or not, the Liberals won that riding fairly.

Yes, but a judicial recount does not address any allegations of corruption. That would occur in a controverted election application.


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Malcolm
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posted 13 February 2006 01:30 AM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Aristotleded24:

Malcolm, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems to have prevented you from looking at anything rationally.

It is possible to dislike Conservatives, to hope for their defeat, and at the same time want allegations of Liberal corruption investigated. It is also quite likely that since a judicial recount confirmed the Liberal victory, that, like it or not, the Liberals won that riding fairly.


I have a few "problems" - including with my complete disgust at the way so many self-described progressives want to defend the interests of a corrupt rightwing party like the Liberals.

Joey claims that is not his position - and that he is quite happy to see the allegations investigated. Fine. Perhaps I read more into his initial post that was there.

However, you might do a bit of research into what a judicial recount actually is.

A judicial recount is precisely what it says - it is a recount of the ballots cast. Nothing more.

Allegations of intimidation, lotteries and ballot stuffing will only be considered after Harrison files his brief. Then , if he persuades a judge that there is a primae facie case, there will be further investigation.

And BTW, the NDP candidate has reported that she has also heard of several similar allegations about Liberal intimidation.

So maybe your problem is you are simply too willing to believe the undying goodness of Liberals.


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Joey Kay
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posted 13 February 2006 02:55 AM      Profile for Joey Kay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:

Joey claims that is not his position - and that he is quite happy to see the allegations investigated. Fine. Perhaps I read more into his initial post that was there.

I admire your statement regarding this... far too often Rabble posts tend to get a little personal, and blinded to what the issue may be. I will admit that my initial response to your statement was a little too acid-tongued.

I appreciate this statement.

[ 13 February 2006: Message edited by: Joey Kay ]


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Joey Kay
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posted 13 February 2006 02:57 AM      Profile for Joey Kay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Double post screw up...

[ 13 February 2006: Message edited by: Joey Kay ]


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Aristotleded24
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posted 13 February 2006 03:50 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:
I have a few "problems" - including with my complete disgust at the way so many self-described progressives want to defend the interests of a corrupt rightwing party like the Liberals.

So maybe your problem is you are simply too willing to believe the undying goodness of Liberals.


And when have I ever posted anything that suggests what you're implying?

Sounds like your problem is that you are simply too willing to automatically believe the worst about the Liberals and that it's impossible for the Liberals to ever have a fair outcome that is favourable to them.


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Malcolm
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posted 14 February 2006 01:01 AM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Aristotleded24:

Sounds like your problem is that you are simply too willing to automatically believe the worst about the Liberals and that it's impossible for the Liberals to ever have a fair outcome that is favourable to them.


Absolutely I believe the worst about the Liberals because when I believe the worst about them, they never disappoint.

Indeed, on those occasions when I thought the Liberals couldn't possibly sink any lower, they inevitably have.

There is a prima facie case for corruption in that seat. Far too many people are happy to defend the Liberal win simply because of an irrational belief that the Conservatives are worse than the Liberals.

Since we got rid of enumerations, a 104% turnout in a poll is not, in and of itself, proof of anything. But in this seat we have several polls with 95%+ turnout, in an election where the average voter turnout was less than 70%.

Further, every one of these high turnout polls was made up of a demographic that generally (and in every other seat in Canada) turns out around 50% lower, not 50% higher than the average.

Likewise, the wide margins against teh Conservatives in these polls is not that incredible, but even there, 300+ Liberals to fewer than 10 Conservatives beggars belief. Yet we see comparable results in most of these high turnout polls.

We also have specific allegations from BOTH the Conservative and NDP candidates of a number of corrupt practices, including threats to cut of peoples' government cheques and at least two allegations of physical intimidation of non-Liberal voters.

No, we don't have ironclad evidence of corruption. But we have a prima facie case that any objective observer (ie, anyone other than a Liberal partisan) must concede is sufficient basis to start an investigation.


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robbie_dee
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posted 15 February 2006 03:14 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On another now-closed thread, Malcolm posted the following:

quote:
Everything happens in order - first the election night tally, then the official count. Now that the judicial recount (which does not consider the type of irregularities that have been alleged) has completed its work.

Next comes the application to controvert the election. That is when Harrison's people must, not prove the allegations, but present enough prima facie evidence to convince the judge that further investigation is required.


Has Harrison filed this application yet, and if not, how long does he have to do so?


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robbie_dee
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posted 16 February 2006 09:16 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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