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DrConway
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posted 23 October 2004 12:55 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Synchrotron fuels Canada's science future

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Saskatoon — The switch was officially flipped on one of the largest science projects in Canadian history Friday, igniting the passions of researchers who aim to do everything from creating smaller radios to curing the common cold.

Saskatchewan Premier Lorne Calvert and federal Finance Minister Ralph Goodale joined scientists from across the country in turning on the massive $173.5-million Canadian Light Source synchrotron — a winding concoction of pipes and wires, housed in a facility the size of a football field at the University of Saskatchewan.


People have been excited about this for quite some time, since tightly focussed X-rays and gamma rays can probe substances very well and give a very good picture of what they look like.

Originally, synchrotron radiation was known to be an artifact of the way cyclotrons and their modern cousins, synchrotrons, work: since they make particles move faster by accelerating the particles not in a straight line, but in circular paths, the particles, in doing so, emit Bremsstrahlung ("braking radiation").

This is essentially a loss of kinetic energy in the form of X-rays or gamma rays and as such for particle accelerator facilities that want high-energy particles the Bremsstrahlung so emitted is a nuisance, since it means the magnets have to be overdesigned to compensate for this, and the electric fields have to be made more powerful, and so on. (A related form of Bremsstrahlung is the characteristic high-intensity, low-energy radiation emitted by pure beta emitters like Phosphorus-32; the electrons emitted from the radioactive nuclei are strongly affected by nearby positive nuclei, and so they give off X-rays as they are deflected.)

For the light source, such as the one in Saskatchewan, it is desired to have a lot of Bremsstrahlung, so the loss of energy is not a factor; its intensity and energy is the primary concern.

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rjedwards
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posted 23 October 2004 01:12 AM      Profile for rjedwards     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some people are happy about it. However, they took away the Nuclear physics facility to build this, which doesn't make us nuclear physicists very happy. Ah well.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 23 October 2004 01:29 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't feel bad. All they left the Quantum Physics department is a box that may or may not have a dead cat in it.
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posted 23 October 2004 01:39 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hehehe LOL . . . but actually I believe that cat is actually both dead and alive . . . but that probably doesn't make as good a joke!
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posted 23 October 2004 02:18 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can I ask, if they expect such exciting results and medical break throughs, by looking at the composition of virus and bacteria, like Hep C and C. difficile, why have they not already done so before this, and developed the locks to shut them off?

The article says Synchrotrons have been in use for 30 years, and they are all over the world, with Canada being the last of the developed nations to get one. If this is the case, and considering all the money we spend world wide on cancer and disease research, why have they not found the chemical messenger locks for these things already?


Of course, I understand that every virus is genetically different from its precursor. And cataloguing locks for them all for everything and everyone is impossible. It would have to be done on a individual basis. However, this is not the case for bacteria per se. Why has it not been done for serious and death threatening strains over the last 30 years? Instead of broad spectrum anti-biotics, which have now left us with super strains, we could have had targeted locks.

The broader potential applications of this technology is not lost on me however, and science should speak on/of that too.


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DrConway
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posted 23 October 2004 02:35 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, we do have a cyclotron for protons at TRIUMF in Vancouver, but the primary use of that is for particle experiments. The apparatus itself is closed off and you can't enter it normally, so the Bremsstrahlung from the protons is simply absorbed by the walls.

The light source in Saskatchewan could be pressed into service as an electron accelerator by taking two electron beams and smashing them into each other to see what sprays off, so to speak, or to take one beam and aim it at a target.

(Edit for embarassing braino. )

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remind
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posted 23 October 2004 03:29 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And what would that do for us besides be an attempt to further understand pure energy? or to be utilized as a weapon?
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DrConway
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posted 23 October 2004 04:51 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, electrons interact only via the electromagnetic interaction (and may interact weakly, but the cross-section for the weak interaction is very small and so we can pretty well ignore it) so you get different things spraying off when you aim an electron beam at, for example, a target of Tungsten metal, versus a proton beam at the same target.

Another use of high-energy electrons would be to do scattering experiments on nuclei to see how they "appear" when probed using the electromagnetic interaction.

(It turns out, incidentally, from previous experiments, that nuclei do seem to have different radii when you probe them electromagnetically than when you probe them "strongly" - i.e. with neutron scattering experiments)

As a weapon this is impractical. You can't miniaturize a particle beam weapon very effectively, as far as I know, and if you tried to use it to blast things out of space, the beam would disperse quite readily even just a few hundred meters up in the atmosphere (remember we are working with charged particles, and so they interact with anything that has a charge and will be deflected, bounced off, scattered and so forth).


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posted 23 October 2004 06:45 PM      Profile for rjedwards     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Triumf already does do some medical work. Many rare radioactive isotopes that are used by the UBC hospital are made there. They have a high speed tube underground which sends the isotopes directly into the hospital rooms from triumf in record time.

By the way, Triumf is a cyclotron not a synchrotron. This is basically a function of when it was made. It was the last of the big cyclotrons before the synchrotron was proven to be more effective and workable. It is actually capable of the highest energy in the world from a cyclotron.


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DrConway
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posted 23 October 2004 08:34 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hroom. I was told it qualified as a synchotron because the magnets are made to strengthen the field as you go radially outwards from the center in order to compensate for the relativistic mass increase of the protons, but I accept the correction and shall edit my post.
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chimo
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posted 23 October 2004 10:35 PM      Profile for chimo        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
that's pretty cool. who's lab is it?
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Rufus Polson
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posted 25 October 2004 04:53 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems pretty sweet all right.
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