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Michelle
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posted 10 January 2007 06:30 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, I'm finally going to finish my BA. Well, actually, I'm kind of starting again, but I can probably do lots of transfer credits from my former time at Queen's, thank goodness. I was taking philosophy before but now I've decided to change to a politics degree since that's more up my alley, I think.

Anyhow, so I just got my course package in the mail tonight since I'm doing distance learning (despite the fact that I'm working at the university I'm attending - I find it easier to do the work on my own time than to attend classes at night because I find it hard to concentrate after working all day). And the very first reading for my first course starts like this:

quote:
The Study of Public Administration
Woodrow Wilson

I suppose that no practical science is ever studied where there is no need to know it. The very fact, therefore, that the eminently practical science of administration is finding its way into college courses in this country would prove that this country needs to know more about administration, were such proof of the fact required to make out a case. It need not be said, however, that we do not look into college programmes for proof of this fact. It is a thing almost taken for granted among us, that the present movement called civil service reform must, after the accomplishment of its first purpose, expand into efforts to improve, not the personnel only, but also the organization and methods of our government offices: because it is plain that their organization and methods need improvement only less than their personnel.


That last sentence was 61 words long. Please shoot me now.

(Seriously, though - I'm pretty excited about going back to school, despite the occasionally turgid crap I know I'm going to be wading through for the next few years. The course descriptions of my first couple of courses look quite interesting, despite this first article. )

So, it's a new semester...anyone else got back to school or new course fever? I always like the start of a new course.


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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 10 January 2007 09:28 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I've got new course fever. Because the idea of doing more courses is one that's making me sick. In a way I'm a little excited because I didn't do particularly well last term, so I could use this term to right the dent last term made in the good ship Vansterdam Kid's GPA. Not to mention the fact that I'll be that much closer to being "done". But, I'm a little fatigued, and just don't care that much anymore, and while one of my courses sounds really interesting it also sounds really annoying due to the extra work that I'll have to put into it, compared to the other courses. And I really don't have the time. Then again, I suppose I should stop babbling or something.

[ 10 January 2007: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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Gir Draxon
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posted 10 January 2007 10:20 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have 6 classes (5 is a full course load), including 12 hours of lecture time between my Mondays and Tuesdays. It's only going to feel better and better as the term goes on.
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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 10 January 2007 11:16 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For a Bachelors? Because that's insane.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 10 January 2007 11:57 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid:
For a Bachelors? Because that's insane.

Yeah, I admit that it is. I've done the 6 classes before, but this term scheduling got really screwy. I did alright with the workload last term, it's just a matter of how well I do with the imbalance.

The problem is that many of my classes are only offered in either the fall or the winter (not both), and spring offerings are sparse to non-existent. So if I don't take things when they're offered, I could end up with having a last year where I have nothing in the fall term and two in the winter. That would suck.


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posted 11 January 2007 12:00 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh- and it's a 4 year Applied Degree that I am trying to finish in 3 years (using some of my credits from the B. Sc. program I dropped). That has a lot to do with the craziness.
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posted 11 January 2007 05:32 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've done six and seven course semesters, they're really bloody hard and near everything else goes by the wayside, don't do it too often. One of my friends did a ten course semester but he's a genius who speaks ten languages and is doing math at MIT now.

I'm finding it hard to be motivated as it's my last undergraduate semester now... alas I'm taking 2 graduate courses and three undergraduate courses, so I'll figure out how to work.

[ 11 January 2007: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]


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Michelle
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posted 11 January 2007 05:34 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. And here I thought I was ambitious, taking two courses per semester with a full time job during the day! That's nothing compared to what I'm hearing here.
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posted 11 January 2007 05:49 AM      Profile for shanty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good for you Michelle!! It is a challenge to attend college with children and a job, but you will be so proud when you are finished...
I completed my B.A. last spring. I have 2 teenagers and work nearly full-time as a substitute teacher (a whole different thread). Starting Monday, I am beginning my student teaching!! I can see the light.
I have found that syllabus day is extremely overwhelming....but once it is broken into days, it goes by fast and is less "difficult" than I worried it would be. You'll do great; I am often impressed by your intelligence and insight.

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posted 11 January 2007 07:18 AM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've done six and seven course semesters, they're really bloody hard and near everything else goes by the wayside, don't do it too often. One of my friends did a ten course semester but he's a genius who speaks ten languages and is doing math at MIT now.
I did 6 and 7 course semesters when I was still living at home, and I don't think I could have done it if I had to work and pay rent. I've thought of doing post-graduate work, but I can't see taking care of kids and a house, working, and going to school without giving up on sleep altogether. My sister-in-law, a prof at York, says when you see these people who are enormously accomplished before the age of 30, they are never supporting themselves, and not just financially; someone is cooking their meals and doing their laundry.

My guy has applied to teacher's college, and we'll find out in the spring if he's been accepted. There are a huge number of applicants, though. Even more than to medical school, I think.


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posted 11 January 2007 11:45 AM      Profile for shanty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is there a high demand for teachers in Canada right now?
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posted 11 January 2007 05:43 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My sister-in-law and a friend both graduated from teacher's college in the past 2 years. They have had to work hard to find jobs, faxing dozens of resumes, and working as substitute teachers. My friend, who graduated last year, is thrilled to have just gotten a gig for one year, as a maternity leave. My sister-in-law is working as a sub half the day, and at a permanent position the other half.

So the job prospects at the Toronto District School Board are not as good as they say. Not sure what the prospects are like elsewhere in the country.

My guy is applying to teacher's college because he wants to be a teacher. He's been volunteering at our kids' school for the past 2 years. Basically, he would be a fabulous teacher.


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posted 11 January 2007 09:52 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by shanty:
Is there a high demand for teachers in Canada right now?

Are you willing to move to Grande Prarie?


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posted 11 January 2007 10:33 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Wow. And here I thought I was ambitious, taking two courses per semester with a full time job during the day! That's nothing compared to what I'm hearing here.

What you're doing is still pretty ambitious, especially depending on the reading load, and how much effort you plan putting into the course (not to mention...well, having a life as you do). Last year I thought I was being smart by taking only three courses, little did I realize that also working about 30 hrs a week, would kind of negate any natural advantages from that. It was still a tough semester, workload wise.

[ 11 January 2007: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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posted 11 January 2007 11:11 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Wow. And here I thought I was ambitious, taking two courses per semester with a full time job during the day! That's nothing compared to what I'm hearing here.

Actually, taking one class (felt like two because spring term courses are condensed) while I was working full time was actually harder than the overload terms. I used to leave at 5 in the morning and not get home until 10 at night on the days I had class. You're probably putting in the equivalent of 6-7 classes worth of hours if you counted your work, lecture, and study hours together.


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Michelle
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posted 23 January 2007 02:32 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I'm doing a short paper for my Local Politics course, one where you have to get a bunch of information about the municipality you live in. It's a small paper, just worth 5% of the overall mark, so it's not too labour-intensive.

So, for the most part, that's pretty easy for Toronto - their web site is really comprehensive. Except for one thing: it's like the number of employees working for the City of Toronto is some kind of classified state secret or something. It's nowhere on their web site that I can find. So I called up city hall, and they told me I have to send a request for the information in writing by e-mail or snailmail to their human resources department, explaining what my purpose is for asking for the information!

I didn't know that it was such a deep, dark secret. Really odd.


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posted 23 January 2007 03:48 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I didn't know that it was such a deep, dark secret. Really odd.
Try this

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Michelle
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posted 23 January 2007 04:26 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OMG! I love you! I'll marry you!

Er, ahem. I mean, thanks very much!

Do you know how long I searched that stupid site today? And the city hall staffer couldn't find it either! She said that it was policy to not give out that information over the phone.


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posted 23 January 2007 06:22 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
OMG! I love you! I'll marry you!

Hey! You're stealing all my lines!

Back to the topic: Good for you, Michelle, it's hard to do work and school. I did my undergrad part time, eight years, at York University and worked part- and full-time. Once I had a 5-day per week job and I smushed all my courses onto one week-day, worked Saturdays and had one day off for the whole academic year. I was not a happy camper, but I made it through.

I gave myself a break when I went to grad school. Very part-time occasional jobs, OSAP, and three classes per week. Sweet!


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Michelle
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posted 23 January 2007 06:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, listen dudette, I'm pretty sure I was proposing left, right and centre before you came along and started encroaching on my turf. In fact, didn't I ask YOU to marry me once?

That sounds great, your grad school stuff. I'm not sure if I'll do grad school after this. Maybe, who knows, if I'm still working at the university, and the courses are free. Too early to tell right now.


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posted 23 January 2007 07:51 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's "lady" dudette to you.
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posted 23 January 2007 08:16 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I'm not sure if I'll do grad school after this.

Aren't you still planning to go to law school, and end up in your rightful place on the Supreme Court?

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